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A new addendum to the article.

I just made a new addendum to the article. Thanks for your time. Svr014 (talk) 15:22, 26 May 2009 (UTC) Chicagoland, Illinois, USA.[reply]

I have reported plagiarism to the administrator of English wikipedia. He will block the user who plagiarized the contents of WP. Svr014 (talk) 15:25, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Non-sensical racial terminology

'indo-aryan' and 'dravidian' are linguistic terms. There are no such 'races'. Slight theological differences should not be given 'racila' twist. That is mischievous--92.39.200.17 (talk) 16:57, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indo-Aryan and Dravidian are indeed racial terms. But the Aryan invasion or migration or whatever it might been, it might have actually taken place over 3,000 years ago. To speak of Aryan race and Dravidian race in the 21st century is pure stupidity, especially when there is evidence of extensive inter-marriage between the Indo-Aryans and Dravidians.-The Enforcer _{Office of the secret service} 15:43, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shri Ravichandar,

There is no evidence to show that aryan and dravidian are "racial" groups, either genetically or historically. They are two seperate linguistic groups, but historians from colonial times have been mentioning these two groups as "racial" groups. I request you to provide appropriate sources to allow this statement to remain without a change: The Vadakalai Iyengars belong to the Indo-Aryan racial group who migrated from North India while the Thenkalai Iyengars belong to the Dravidian racial group.[1][2]

Thank you. --= No ||| Illusion = (talk) 01:06, 20 October 2009 (UTC)Mayasutra[reply]

Race theories

I agree with the above. Reg this: The Vadakalai Iyengars belong to the Indo-Aryan racial group who migrated from North India while the Thenkalai Iyengars belong to the Dravidian racial group.[1][2]

Aryan and dravidian are not racial groups. They are linguistic groups. To support the statement, two references have been given. One is this: http://vadakalai.totallyexplained.com/Vadakalai which explicitely mentions both groups as racial groups. It is not an authentic source (looks more like a blog source). Can Svr014 and others who purport that these are "racial" groups, please provide authetic sources ?

Thank you. --= No ||| Illusion = (talk) 01:00, 20 October 2009 (UTC)Mayasutra[reply]

About the changes you made in the Vadakalai page

You mean to say that the Vadakalai are genetically-related to the Punjabi people and that the Punjabi people article claims that most Punjabis are Aryans. So, the Vadakalai are also Indo-Aryans. This is a gross violation of WP:SYNTH. Aren't there any Dalits in the Punjab?

If a book released by the Tamil Nadu Textbook Society mentions that the caste system was founded by the Aryans, it should be mentioned in the article on Indo-Aryans not in Vadakalai. And lastly, that Uttara kalarya is a cognate of uttara + kala + arya might be obvious to you, but sorry, Wikipedia relies on references and such controversial claims should be supported by neutral published sources. And then, even if sufficient neutral sources are added to back up your claims, even then they can be removed as they strongly violate neutrality. For your benefit, I advise you to stop being obsessed by things like race and ethnicity.-The Enforcer _{Office of the secret service} 18:02, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hari, It is "deductive reasoning" that wikipedia avoids specifically. We only do "copy printing" what a Reliable Source says. We don't do Original Research or Deductive Reasoning. We only report what the source says explicitly. So there you have it - if you want to do "deductive reasoning", wikipedia is not the place for it. A blog might be a suitable place, not wikipedia. TN Text books (7th std text books!) are not neutral sources by any way - they are govt party POV (if you don't agree i can point out enough examples how text books change when DMK/ADMK govts change). And blogs are not accepted Reliable Sources for Wikipedia. The first source you pointed out can be used to source exactly what it points out "vadagalai iyengars have more genetice similarity to Pakistanis than some castes of Andhra". From here, you cannot extrapolate that "vadagalai iyengars are aryans". For adding the later, you need to find a good scholarly book (not the "arya mayai" type from DK/DMK) that explicitly says so.--Sodabottle (talk) 06:27, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment

Article just falls short of B class; since the notable people section is short of refs. Also, at places, there are way too many refs; review them, some of them may not be needed. Also, some of the sections need expansion, and maybe more sections are needed to be fully comprehensive. Lynch 7 12:01, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

assessed as C: "The article is substantial, but is still missing important content." You can model the structure of the article on Deshastha Brahmin. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 16:55, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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noteworthiness

Some of the statements are riddled with blatant casteism. If it is noteworthy that Ramanuja was a vadama then it is also noteworthy that most of the alwars are non brahmins that are worshipped by vadakalais contrary to the teachings of veda regarding caste system. Fastnfurios (talk) 09:45, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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You are not helping matters by reverting and also attacking the other users. This has been going on for years now. I have already told you both to follow the dispute resolution process, but neither of you seem to be doing that. The next time this back and forth revert happens on any article, you both are likely to be blocked. —SpacemanSpiff 10:13, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Merged to Sri Vaishnavism

This article was merged to Sri Vaishnavism, due to a strong overlap in contents. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:03, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]