Talk:Uvular nasal

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if you're looking for fun, here are some thoughts about N for /l/ in east coast English (Stephen King): linguistlist.org/issues/18/18-2240.html peace – ishwar (speak) 04:58, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

French

Doesn't French also have nasal Ns? enfant (child) is pronounced oNfawN (my own madeup phonetics based on US english) where N is nasal not aveolar. OsamaBinLogin (talk) 23:24, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

AFAIK, those words feature a nasalized vowel, not a vowel followed by a uvular nasal. — Æµ§œš¹ _{[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]} 00:11, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Japanese

Japanese does not have uvular ɴ. The "ɴ" in the IPA Handbook is a substitution for the archiphoneme N, as is clear from a review of the lit. — kwami (talk) 22:35, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Okada does state "Word-finally before a pause, it is typically a uvular nasal", as seen in his example of /zeɴhaɴ/ [ᵈzeɣ̝̈̃haɴ]. Nardog (talk) 13:12, 26 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not exactly. He says, "Word-finally before a pause, it is typically a uvular nasal with a loose tongue contact or a close to close-mid nasalized vowel". So [ɴ̞ ~ ɨ̃]: not a good example of [ɴ]. — kwami (talk) 18:27, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand. Not every example on the Occurrence list needs to be the most quintessential realization of the present sound, or a majority of examples need to be removed from most articles on sounds. I mean, isn't that one of the reasons the Notes column exists? So why should we remove it altogether instead of listing it with a note like "Lowered. Free variation between [ɴ̞] and [ɨ̃]"? And even if it didn't belong in the list, it is still the case that the Japanese /N/ is often transcribed with ⟨ɴ⟩ and described as a uvular nasal, so not to mention Japanese on this article at all would simply be reader-unfriendly. Nardog (talk) 04:59, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]