Talk:United States Football League (2022–2023)

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Not moved, 17 April 2023, to United States Football League (2022-present), see discussion.
Moved to United States Football League (2022–2023), 11 February 2024, to United States Football League (2022–23), see discussion.

Connection to 1980s USFL

After trying to "have your cake and eat it too" the league ownership stated it's not associated or affiliated to the original USFL, so it's important to keep that distinction between the leagues. --StanleyKey (talk) 15:58, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Simulcast

"The game will be broadcast by Fox and NBC, marking the first simulcast of the same football game by networks not owned by the same company since Super Bowl I in 1967, and the first football game simulcast overall since the 2007 NFL regular season finale between the New England Patriots and the New York Giants aired on CBS, NBC, and the NFL Network. Tickets were released to the public at $10 per person; children aged 15 and under would be admitted for free."

Huh? Last I checked CBS and NBC are owned by different companies, so I don't know how the claim about Super Bowl I is correct. Samer (talk) 01:32, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree and have removed the statement. NFL Network has regularly simulcast some of it's regular season games on a broadcast network every year for the past few seasons, so even the part about the 2007 game isn't accurate. I think it is the first simulcast football game on 2 over-the-air networks since the 2007 game mentioned, but I'm not even sure about that, so I included a "citation needed" tag. CALQL8 (talk) 02:52, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in United States Football League (2022)

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of United States Football League (2022)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "espn":

From Fall Experimental Football League: Seifert, Kevin (June 4, 2014). "Time is right for minor league football". ESPN.com. ESPN. Retrieved 20 October 2014.
From Pacific Pro Football: "Pacific Pro Football League to debut in 2018". ESPN.com. Jan 11, 2017. Retrieved May 17, 2018.
From Gunner (American football): Steve Tasker on Sal Alosi uproar: So what?
From XFL (2020): "XFL reveals names, logos for its eight teams". ESPN. August 21, 2019.
From Minor league football (gridiron): Clayton, John (December 23, 2016). "Spring league kicking off 4-team, 3-week development plan in April". ESPN. Retrieved August 30, 2017.
From Freedom Football League: "Ex-NFL players create Freedom Football League". ESPN.com. December 6, 2018. Retrieved December 8, 2018.
From Alliance of American Football: Rovell, Darren (March 20, 2018). "Former NFLers involved in league to rival XFL". ESPN.com. Retrieved March 20, 2018.
From National Collegiate Athletic Association: NCAA tops $1 billion in revenue
From Super Bowl: "No rolling roof, no Super Bowl at Arrowhead". ESPN. Associated Press. May 25, 2006. Archived from the original on December 5, 2021. Retrieved December 5, 2021.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 20:21, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Old League Integration

So USFL social media is now claiming the entire history of the old league, incorporating its past MVPs and Championships into recent posts.

Two questions: - Did the new USFL win the rights to the old USFL records, teams, history, etc.

- If the above is Yes, do we merge both league articles and such? Colljames (talk) 02:29, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

They reached some kind of an agreement with the old guard. The use of original league history is purely promotional, and both leagues are not really connected. Even more, the original USFL was "Major" league and this one is essentially high-level "Minor" league. BabyBOY789 (talk) 15:24, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So I guess the question is, do we include the records of the old league for the teams that exist but not the teams that currently don’t have a counterpart? In 2022 league canon, the Arizona Wranglers lost to the Philly Stars in the 1984 championship and the Oakland Invaders lost 1985 to the Baltimore Stars. Neither team exists in the current league, but it does claim they existed and lost to the stars. The league also claims the stars have 2 championships and 4 finals appearances. Colljames (talk) 17:14, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's just one man opinion, but we're talking about two different leagues with two different level of play (one Major and one Minor). It won't be "correct" two consider both achievements as equal... Like I said before, it's was done purely for promotional reasons... BabyBOY789 (talk) 20:42, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's not just one man opinion - the two leagues has nothing to do with each other. To say the current USFL is related to the 80's version it's like claiming the 60's AFL were the reincarnation of the 1920's of the AFL...Ccui123 (talk) 17:15, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 17 April 2023

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – Material Works (contribs) 18:58, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

United States Football League (2022) → United States Football League (2022-present) – It is 2023 and the league's second season is currently underway. Someone2024 (talk) 01:02, 17 April 2023 (UTC) ~~[reply]

Oppose 2022 refers to its start date, so as not to confuse it with the proposed United States Football League (2010) or the former United States Football League (which should possibly be renamed United States Football League (1983). The year disambiguator is a start date, and this is consistent with other sports articles. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:14, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And if moved, it should be moved to United States Football League (2022–present) as per WP:ENDASH. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:15, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose If/when the league is to fold, they it should be renamed United States Football League (2022–XXXX), until then there is no point to change the name to state present. DMC511 (talk) 22:58, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose given the way other restarted leagues are named. KD0710 (talk) 15:41, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Updating page to reflect "past" league and not a conference

Since it never happened in other instances (i.e American Football League, American Basketball Association or the Intense Football League and United Indoor Football who merge into the Indoor Football League) it's best to keep the article as a "past league". Ccui123 (talk) 18:46, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 11 February 2024

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The result of the move request was: Moved to United States Football League (2022–2023). There is a rough consensus to move to United States Football League (2022–2023), to be consistent with the other similar articles. – robertsky (talk) 15:29, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

United States Football League (2022) → United States Football League (2022–23) – The league lasted for just two seasons & then merged with the second incarnation of the XFL, to become the United Football League. -- GoodDay (talk) 21:17, 11 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ❯❯❯ Raydann ^(Talk) 02:03, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per User:Joseph2302's rationale on the last requested move. Esolo5002 (talk) 22:13, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, the league no longer exists, and adding the extra year of existence in the title seems appropriate for both accuracy and as an easily understood descriptor. Thanks for pinging Joseph2302, as their comment was placed when the league still existed and nobody was aware of the end-date bookending the start-date. Will also ping DMC511, whose comment at the last RM is now relevant to the deposition of this one. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:32, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose makes no sense to change the title. Might as well ping these two, @Joseph2302: and @KD0710:. Catfurball (talk) 20:14, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know, it makes sense to me. Many articles about wars are bookended like this, and many other topics. Many sports and other pages are titled with the two-year existence of the event, i.e. "Party like it's 1998-99". Randy Kryn (talk) 00:53, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Please note (for example), we have International Hockey League (1945–2001), which uses a start & end year. GoodDay (talk) 16:10, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject American football has been notified of this discussion. ❯❯❯ Raydann ^(Talk) 02:04, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Support alternative move to United States Football League (2022–2023) per nom and MOS:YEARRANGE suggesting using the full year. The year range is helpful here, while just the start date makes it sound like it lasted only a single year. SnowFire (talk) 18:38, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as per my thoughts on the previous nom, year start date is fine as a dismabiguator. It's also more WP:CONCISE. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:16, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support United States Football League (2022–2023), similar to XFL (2020–2023) (moved in Talk:XFL (2020–2023)#Requested_move_13_February_2024) and North American Soccer League (2011–2017). With respect to concision, I think the three or five characters makes little difference in this case. Adumbrativus (talk) 07:34, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Now that XFL (2020) has been moved to XFL (2020–2023)? I will support this page being renamed United States Football League (2022–2023). -- GoodDay (talk) 21:37, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support that's how long it lasted, so why not? PlaneCrashKing1264 (talk) 16:04, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - No reason it will be different from other leagues... StanleyKey (talk) 15:34, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Joseph and others. No need for a change, the year refers to its inception date only, and giving a range might make it look like a season or sometthing else. — Amakuru (talk) 19:11, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe? PlaneCrashKing1264 (talk) 19:29, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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