Talk:United Kingdom in the Eurovision Song Contest 1999

GA Review

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Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 21:04, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Comments

• Lead feels a little short for this article length, two paras would suffice.
• Opening sentence is short, perhaps include there when' it happened as well.
• "selection to select" repetitive.
• "with 4 songs" four.
• " radio semi-final" what's one of those?
• Precious (group) not Precious (band).
• fifth/12th -> fifth/twelfth or 5th/12th. I prefer the former.
• "at that time the second-worst result" position-wise.
• "in 1957, competing in all" too many run-ons, perhaps "in 1957 and had competed in all"
• Bucks Fizz doesn't need disambiguation.
• "For the 1998 contest," perhaps make it clear that you're talking about the previous year's competition.
• "national final, The Great British Song Contest 1999." pop a ref at the end.
• "The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) organised" you mentioned the BBC in the previous section.
• "1999. The Great British Song Contest was" overlinked.
• "followed a ... contests: following" followed/following repetitive.
• "Over 840 songs..." More than.
• "BASCA" but you never use the abbreviation.
• ""Over 21,000 votes ..." More than.
• The table captions don't really tell those who need it what's being presented in the tables.
• Row scopes could be included too.
• "broadcast on BBC One and" overlinked.
• ""by Ulrika Jonsson.[8][11] Jonsson" repetitive.
• Sortable tables with names normally sort by surname.
• Place col seems to sort three ways.
• "The group also ... The group was also..." repetitive.
• "Jerusalem, Israel on" comma after Israel.
• "was assigned to perform at position five," no need for "to perform at".
• ""with Terry Wogan providing commentary for BBC One and Ken Bruce on BBC Radio 2." all overlinked.
• "Below is a breakdown..." we don't really write like this, we just talk about the subject, not stuff like "in the table below" etc.
• "determined the UK's points" do you mean determined the UK's votes?
• "Points awarded to the United Kingdom[29]" table doesn't have row/col scopes.
• Likewise the "Points awarded by the United Kingdom[29]" table.
• Lots of spaced hyphens in the refs, should be en-dashes. Check others.
• Ref 5, multiple page ref needs en-dash, not hyphen in page range. Check others.
• What makes "next-episode.net" a reliable source?
• Ref 17, 33, discogs is considered unreliable per WP:RSP.
• You don't need to keep abbreviating EBU in the refs.
• Newspapers like The Daily Telegraph need to be in italics.

That's all I see on a first pass. On hold. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:13, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I believe I have now covered all the points above, including tweaks to language, changes to sources where necessary, and improvements to the table with scoping. I've added colscopes to all tables and rowscopes to tables where I believe it makes sense to include these. I've also added sortname functionality where appropriate, for all songwriters and those artists where a full name is used, with groups/mononymous artists not included. Please let me know if I've missed anything above, or if you have any further queries that I can help resolve. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 18:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I think that's a decent job, well done. So I'm promoting. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:19, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by MeegsC (talk) 17:32, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

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Precious and Atomic Kitten member Jenny Frost performing in 2005

• ... that future Atomic Kitten member Jenny Frost (pictured) represented the United Kingdom in the Eurovision Song Contest 1999 as part of the group Precious? Source: "The group eventually disbanded in 2001: Jenny Frost became a member of British girl group Atomic Kitten[...]" [1]
  • ALT1:... that Jenny Frost, who joined Atomic Kitten in 2001, was a member of the girl group Precious that represented the United Kingdom in the Eurovision Song Contest 1999?

• Reviewed: Norddeutsche Philharmonie Rostock

Improved to Good Article status by Sims2aholic8 (talk). Self-nominated at 13:45, 17 March 2021 (UTC).

• Hi Sims2aholic8, review follows: article promoted to GA on 17 March; article exceeds minimum length; I didn't find an issue with overly close paraphrasing in a spot check on sources; article is cited inline throughout to what appear to be reliable sources for this subject; I've just got a couple of queries on the hooks:

• ALT0: I think it should be "future Atomic Kitten member" not "former Atomic Kitten member", the latter could be read as that she had been the Atomic Kitten before Eurovision
• ALT1: There's some inconsistency in dates. The Telegraph article which is one of the sources used states she joined in 2000, I presume we are happy this is an error as the Belfast Telegraph article states 2001? Our article currently says "The group eventually disbanded in 2001: Jenny Frost became a member of British girl group Atomic Kitten", which isn't specific as to when she joined Atomic Kitten

A QPQ has been carried out. Image is freely licensed, used in the article and appropriate. Just my queries on the hooks, but otherwise this one is looking good - Dumelow (talk) 09:06, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

• Thanks Dumelow. Happy to go with "future" over "former" for ALT0, hadn't considered that point before. For ALT1, yes I believe the Telegraph article is an error, going by the Atomic Kitten and "Whole Again" articles (the last single under Kerry Katona, who Frost replaced, which was released in January 2001). Sims2aholic8 (talk) 11:18, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Sims2aholic8, I've made the change to ALT0 and added a little to the sentence in the article to clarify that Frost joined Atomic Kitten in 2001. Good to go wqith either ALT - Dumelow (talk) 07:31, 19 March 2021 (UTC)