Talk:Tornadoes of 2019

Starting these articles prematurely

Considering that it's still 2018, I don't think this article should be here yet. I'm not going to nominate this article for deletion since the AfD discussion would not finish before the new year. But, moving forward, please, let's wait until January 1 to start new yearly articles. TornadoLGS (talk) 22:29, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

At the earliest, I think December 31 would be the best date to start it. HurricaneGonzalo | Talk | Contribs 16:32, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Image for infobox

Usually, the infobox for a tornado year shows an SPC graph of cumulative tornado reports for that year. These graphs are published through the SPC's WCM page, which currently isn't updating due to the government shutdown. I figured we should find a replacement, at least until the shutdown ends. I have created a map in ArcGIS showing the touchdown point and rating of every confirmed tornado in the U.S. so far this year. Would that be acceptable? My main concern would be that it might violate WP:OR. TornadoLGS (talk) 23:00, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

F0, really?

I find it pretty dubious that the tornado in Cuba was only an F0. For one, 3 dead and 174 injured is the sort of thing we see with significant tornadoes. Some of the damage looks to be in the F1-F2 range unless the quality of construction was extremely poor. Please keep an eye out for any updates on this tornado's intensity.TornadoLGS (talk) 18:43, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

The source never said F0, it did say 60 mph winds, but I assume this was the peak measured gust in outflow, not the tornado. I have removed F0, which, regardless of the construction, could not have flipped those cars. Tornado chaser (talk) 22:46, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

I just added a source for it being an F3. Tornado chaser (talk) 23:08, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

That makes a lot more sense. TornadoLGS (talk) 23:24, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Article for Havana tornado

There are now reports coming out suggesting a likely F4 rating for the Havana tornado. If we can gather enough information, there should be an article about this tornado. TornadoLGS (talk) 05:24, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

I support the idea of an article for this. Seems like a notable event. United States Man (talk) 19:30, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Do you think enough information to put in an article? I remember a few years ago a notable tornado in Bangladesh failing to get an article because we could only get one paragraph about it. Would the survey information itself be available online? Good to see you, by the way. TornadoLGS (talk) 21:37, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Ok, folks, I think we should go forward with an article for the Havana tornado. I'm not sure how much time I'll have, but do you think we have enough sources and info? Are there any Spanish-speakers who might be able to find information on the INSMET website?

I will try in the next days to enlarge the information about the tornado of Havana using information from EcuRed (The Cuban online encyclopedia). For now I published a photo taken with my phone. The link for this event in Ecured is https://www.ecured.cu/Tornado_de_La_Habana_(2019) Admiral RedDog (talk) 17:58, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

I have some stuff to finish up over the next week or so, then I hope to start a draft. Admiral RedDog Given your work on EcuRed, I might guess that you are proficient in Spanish? That would be useful in getting Spanish language sources, such as the official survey, for any information not covered in English media outlets. TornadoLGS (talk) 17:18, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Hey! I know this hasnt been discussed in a while but someone created an article for it. Just thought I'd let you guys know. JimmyTheMarble (talk) 02:59, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

West Hialeah

Worth mentioning. The same day Havana suffered a tornado, Hialeah, Florida, also suffered a Tornado. Affecting the western portion of the city. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:16D0:2650:28C2:E801:223F:E5C (talk) 22:34, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Uninformed editors messing up title formatting

Exactly what I just said. It's well known for anyone who edits and creates tornado articles on a regular basis (there are several of us, going back to at least 2010), that the articles must follow the "Tornado outbreak of (Month date and year)" format unless there is a reason not to. Some random person with no knowledge or history of editing tornado articles decided that they didn't like the title and changed it to "2019 Alabama-Georgia tornado outbreak" (so stupid) and I cannot change it back now. Can some of the notable severe weather article editors back me up and help me out with this? TornadoInformation12 (talk) 17:22, 4 March 2019 (UTC)TornadoInformation12

This appears to have been fixed, 2019 Alabama-Georgia tornado outbreak redirects to Tornado outbreak of March 3, 2019. Tornado chaser (talk) 21:27, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Stop bolding the death tolls

As the title says. I'm getting tired of reverting bolded death tolls. I don't know why everyone has suddenly forgotten basic formatting policies that were agreed upon years ago. TornadoInformation12 (talk) 20:35, 5 March 2019 (UTC)TornadoInformation12

A lot of it is newish editors to tornado articles. Most of the old crew from 4 or 5 years back aren't very active anymore. TornadoLGS (talk) 20:39, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

The person who bolded those was a user who has been around for about 10 years but hasn’t worked over here much lately, so he probably just didn’t know any better. United States Man (talk) 21:38, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

March 22 Event

Apparently, somebody wrote down that 2 EF1s and 1 EF2 occurred in Texas during the 22nd. According to the NWS of Amarillo, no damage occurred. Am I missing something?

- Tornadoguy428 Tornadoguy428 (talk) 01:28, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

May 17-22 (possibly longer) outbreak sequence article?

So I noticed that someone started an article for May 20-22, but its clear to me that we are in the middle of an outbreak sequence that began on the 17th. There have been strong, destructive tornadoes on a daily basis except for on the 19th (even then, there were still numerous tornadoes that day). This includes direct hits from strong tornadoes in populated areas (Ballinger, TX...Abilene, TX,...San Angelo, TX) and at least one fatality (Adair, IA). This is a textbook outbreak sequence, which is an extended period of significant tornado activity that can last for many days. I suggest we handle this like previous outbreak sequences, and re-title it, with the event beginning on May 17. This outbreak sequence could continue until May 25, and if so the title will have to be changed as the event continues. Thoughts?

Other recent outbreak sequences: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tornado_outbreak_sequence_of_May_5%E2%80%9310,_2015 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tornado_outbreak_sequence_of_May_15%E2%80%9320,_2017 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tornado_outbreak_sequence_of_May_22%E2%80%9326,_2016

TornadoInformation12 (talk) 05:13, 23 May 2019 (UTC)TornadoInformation12

I believe there is one complete article for the entirety of this tornado outbreak: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tornado_outbreak_of_May_2019 Noobeater007 (talk) 20:06, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

dubious EF5 claim

We have a dubious EF5 claim in this page! How could one of 2019's tornadoes be claimed as EF5 when there is no evidence? Something is suspicious about the claim. Angela Maureen (talk) 19:51, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

We have a source for a 212 mph wind, if that's what you're referring to. That is evidence of EF5 intensity, but without the damage to match we don't get an EF5 rating.TornadoLGS (talk) 02:17, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Another EF4?

I noticed someone edited the United States yearly tornado count page, and someone added a second EF4. Am I missing something here? Kade Ydstie45 (talk) 02:04, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

You aren't missing anything. Sometimes people come in here and give tornadoes the ratings they think are appropriate. TornadoLGS (talk) 02:15, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

EF-1 vs EF1

Why the difference?

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 10:52, 26 May 2019 (UTC).

Most likely because the media has never really been good at using the correct nomenclature for technical terms; witness all the times you've seen a newspaper refer to an "F16" fighter or an "F-40PH" locomotive. rdfox 76 (talk) 14:28, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Ok I've removed the dashes in non-quoted text. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 21:43, 26 May 2019 (UTC).

EF4 in Ohio

Do you guys think that tornado last night in Ohio was an EF4. In the 17-27 tornado outbreak article, someone wrote that it was on EF4. Where did you get this evidence? Kade Ydstie45 (talk) 12:56, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

No, there is some evidence of the Celina tornado being an EF4, but it was given of at least EF3 intensity. StormChaserJosh (talk) 18:45, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

You don't need to keep adding a discussion thread for every dubious rating. As I said before, some people like to try rating the tornadoes themselves, even if their assessments are without merit. We usually figure them out pretty quickly and remove them. TornadoLGS (talk) 22:03, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Monthly lists

While we don't have the June list started yet, I noticed that somebody added a wikilink for a June to July list. When we do start the we it should simply be for June. First, June could turn out to be active enough to have a standalone list, as happened with April this year. We shouldn't expand it to include other months unless it ends with low enough activity to combine it. Second, it is not appropriate for a list to include a month that hasn't even started yet. We can add and expand the lists as needed at the beginning of each month as we have always done. TornadoLGS (talk) 01:36, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

I agree with this, but I would point out I made the June list earlier. 🌧❄ϟ TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 01:40, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

June 15 2019

Why this doesn't include putnam tornado Alvaro ivan daniswara (talk) 08:34, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Sorry for this being very late, but it appears it did get rated according to this page. https://www.weather.gov/oun/tornadodata-ok-2019 Tornadoguy428 (talk) 00:33, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks

Alvaro ivan daniswara (talk) 00:55, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Confirmed Tornado Count

Is 1,300 really the confirmed tornado count? I understand that a lot of outbreaks in April and May didn't get very accurate surveys due to all of the flooding, but the count jumping to such an Above Average number seems a bit of a stretch. Does anyone have a source for the confirmed tors? --AVeryWiseWolfy (talk) 21:05, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Probably vandalism that's unsupported. Removed it accordingly. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 21:19, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Need someone to go through and fix the confirmed tornadoes for each month as well. Reports were easy because that information is readily available, but the number of confirmed tornadoes is unnecessarily hard to find and square down. --AVeryWiseWolfy (talk) 22:58, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Most of the monthly information is verifiable through the monthly tornado lists. August is probably woefully outdated tho... ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 00:57, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Yeah we really need someone to figure out the real tornado count for the whole year so far, because i think numbers in the 800's is incredibly incorrect. Kade Ydstie45 (talk) 15:53, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Page needs to be fixed/updated

This article needs to get updated extremely. Several tornado tables/counts are incorrect, sections need to be updated, among other things. Also, someone needs to add all of August's tornadoes to the "List of United States tornadoes from June to August 2019", as it only lists 3 tornadoes, but many more have been confirmed.

Gio52903 (talk) 15:47, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Idk maybe someone just forgot Alvaro ivan daniswara (talk) 12:30, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

New Zealand Tornadoes

What is the highest rankings on all the tornadoes in New Zealand on August 11-12? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ConnerTea (talk • contribs) 20:48, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Removal of information

Why do anonymous removed tornadoes near kansas on september 24 2019 Alvaro ivan daniswara (talk) 06:14, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Because that section of text was provided was poorly written and uncited.TornadoLGS (talk) 21:28, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

September 10-11

There couldn’t have been just 6 EF2s. Can someone find out if there were more confirmed tornadoes during these dates? Redfishtwofish (talk) 21:53, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Maximum rated tornado: F4 vs EF4

This has been on my mind for a bit now. Currently the infobox lists this year has having four EF4 tornadoes but, as I understand it, the Havana tornado was rated F4 rather than EF4. While we commonly treat F and EF ratings as equivalent, they technically are not quite the same as rating standards differ between the scales. I've posted a bit more on this topic at Template talk:Infobox tornado year since this issue applies to other years as well. TornadoLGS (talk) 18:25, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Maybe add a discord?

I think it would be easier to make edits and suggestions if we have a discord for tornadoes of 2019 Redfishtwofish (talk) 20:53, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

October Tornadoes

Hey, should we start working on the 2019 October Tornadoes page. We have had more than it seems and if we wait it adds insult to injury as more tornadoes will have to be made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheHurricans (talk • contribs) 17:49, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

The October list won't be needing a separate page. I have moved the September page to include October, so the list can start there, though I won't have time to be adding tornadoes myself. TornadoLGS (talk) 18:07, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, if you need help on all the tornadoes I have the web page you can use. https://www.tornadohq.com/severe-weather-map/. TheHurricans —Preceding undated comment added 19:18, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

I also add indonesia and malaysia tornado. Including 1 killed in batu east java tornado Alvaro ivan daniswara (talk) 11:59, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Citronelle Alabama

Does anyone have any information on the tornado that hit there? Redfishtwofish (talk) 13:33, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Storm Prediction Center ACT Tornado Count

The Storm Prediction Center now has 2019's actual tornado count as 1,276. They have each month as the following; Jan-21, Feb-26, Mar-107, Apr-272, May-506, Jun-172, Jul-99, Aug-73. The actual count for September, October, and November are not out yet, but the prelim tornado count says Sep-87, Oct-65, and Nov-1. The actual total from Jan-Aug (1,276) combined with the prelim total from Sep-Nov (153) would equal a yearly total (so far) of 1,429. Can someone update this page with this information, and update each month?Gio52903 (talk) 13:41, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

These should be updated based on the NCDC storm reports, but right now I don't have the time to make such extensive edits. It should be noted that three of the confirmed tornadoes counted for October 31 actually occurred after midnight and should count for November. TornadoLGS (talk) 04:55, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

References

Baskin, LA 2019 tornado

A strong tornado tore through the village of Baskin and caused major damage across what I can assume to be a mobile home park. Trees were also uprooted outside of the village. I do not know the damage in the southern areas of Baskin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5cHmp9jBGo — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheHurricans (talk • contribs) 20:10, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Citation #1

Could someone help me out on citation 1 please? I have put a url there but there's still something missing that I'm not really sure how to do. Your help is greatly appreciated. Kade Ydstie45 (talk) 00:15, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Different parameters in the citation template need to be separated by a | symbol. TornadoLGS (talk) 04:31, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Latest tornadoes

I have been adding the tornadoes to the monthly list for November and December, but I'm going to be pretty busy over the next few weeks. Could somebody take over handling these tornadoes? It seems today is producing a potentially significant outbreak, including at least one significant tornado with a fatality in Louisiana [1]. TornadoLGS (talk) 21:59, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Someone put in a bunch of tornadoes without a link, find it suspicious, might want to check it out since it’s an anonymous Redfishtwofish (talk) 18:45, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Seems legit. Take a look at the Twitter feeds of the affected WFOs and PNS statements here: https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/wx/afos/list.phtml. Not sure this outbreak warrants and article, but I can't get too involved. TornadoLGS (talk) 18:53, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for confirming the legit ness of the edits Redfishtwofish (talk) 18:55, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Move/reorganization discussion at 2019 Dallas tornado

I'm not sure how many people are watching the 2019 Dallas tornado, but I've started a discussion as to whether it should be moved or restructured here: Talk:2019 Dallas tornado#Move or reorganize. TornadoLGS (talk) 21:17, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Baskin, Louisiana EF2

So, the NCDC just added November 2019 reports to their website. According to the event details of the Baskin, Louisiana EF2 on November 26, one of the 2 injured people from the tornado has sadly passed away of her injuries. NCDC is counting it as a direct death. This means that the US in 2019 had 43 tornado fatalities. Could someone please update the page with this information? https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/stormevents/eventdetails.jsp?id=857862 Gio52903 (talk) 14:53, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Yearly confirmed tornadoes

I've recently seen several articles including accuweather, saying that there were only 1,422 tornadoes in the US in 2019. They said they got their information from the SPC and I'm wondering what we missed to get a significantly higher number? Kade Ydstie45 (talk) 02:09, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Accuweather isn't a very reliable source. One of the sources calls it the "inflation-adjusted count," which is the same terminology used by the running total SPC charts. This suggests that the number these sources are quoting is an estimate based on the number of preliminary storm reports rather than an actual count of the tornadoes. Looking at other years, this statistic seems to underestimate the number of tornadoes in a given year by ~70-130. The actual final report on the number for tornadoes in the U.S. will probably be available in late March or April. TornadoLGS (talk) 03:12, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

I guess they're not reliable. I just thought that since they got it from the spc that it was their final number. And dang, I'm surprised it takes that long to figure out the exact number of tornadoes in a year! Kade Ydstie45 (talk) 03:21, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

We try to get as close as we can from local NWS office reports, but some weak tornadoes usually get added in and a few ratings changed. NCDC data gets updated by month, so right now we're only waiting on December to finish off 2019. TornadoLGS (talk) 03:31, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Cool, good to know. Kade Ydstie45 (talk) 13:25, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

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