Talk:Titanic

Ships are not women

The article refers to the ship as "She" when it is, in fact, an inanimate object. If it must be anthropomorphized, no gender can, nor should be, assigned to it arbitrarily. The ship is either an "it" or a "They" 66.23.113.178 (talk) 04:23, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Female pronouns for ships is maritime tradition. It's not meant as a slur. 57.135.233.22 (talk) 11:57, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

This argument has cropped up many times on this Talk page over the years (see the archives) - perhaps an FAQ should be added here I've just added an FAQ to the header here. Per WP:SHE4SHIPS: Ships may be referred to by either feminine pronouns ("she", "her") or neuter pronouns ("it", "its"). Either usage is acceptable, but each article should be internally consistent and exclusively employ only one style. (By way of comparison, Wikipedia also has many references to countries and cities as "she", e.g. "Britain and her allies"; "Tokyo and her sister city New York", etc.) Muzilon (talk) 23:45, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

True 65.18.39.253 (talk) 16:13, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2024 (2)

217.34.48.59 (talk) 13:00, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Titanic sunk 2026

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 13:05, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2024

"skins" should be "it sinks". 31.94.30.64 (talk) 09:01, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:15, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

The death/survivor count and passenger count is outdated

It should be 1,496 deaths,712 survivors, and 2,208 total passengers.

The inquiries found that the ship seen by Californian was in fact Titanic and that it would have been possible for Californian to aid rescue; therefore, Captain Lord had acted improperly in failing to do so.[

The statement is correct and well footnoted: but it doesn't seem to be noted that, following the discovery of wreck, the position is now known, and not what the enquiry accepted, so the enquiry and 'subsequent arguments' are now seen in a different light. 124.187.219.128 (talk) 07:49, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Tons and captions

@Canterbury Tail: I don't care whether we use "ton" or "tonne" but I think we should spell it the same way in both the lead and the Lifeboats section. Normally the lead summarizes the article.

Also did you intend to revert the caption changes? We don't usually put a period at the end of a sentence fragment in a caption. GA-RT-22 (talk) 21:05, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Ah no you've got me there on the caption stuff. That was me not paying enough attention, you're quite right on those.

As for the ton vs tonne thing, the article is written in British English so it should be entirely consistent with that. That would mean then we should change those other sections to the tonne spelling as well. Since I reverted your edit, I'll take the responsibility of putting the captions back and make the other changes. Canterbury Tail talk 21:15, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2024

§ Sinking:

In Lifeboat No. 2, Fourth Officer Boxhall lit several green roman candles, signaling Carpathia to make the way towards them. The ship pulled alongside No. 2, where a woman in the boat cried "Titanic has gone down with everyone aboard!" Boxhall quickly replied with "Shut up, lady!" Boxhall later apologized for his outburst, but both people involved agreed that it was acceptable, given the circumstances they had just endured and their current conditions.

References

One by one, Titanic's lifeboats were picked up by Carpathia. Passengers from Collapsibles A and B were transferred into other boats and ferried to Carpathia. Collapsible C was towed by Lifeboat 14 to Carpathia, where Fifth Officer Lowe rigged up a sail. When asked how he knew, Lowe replied "Not all sailors are seamen, and not all seamen are sailors."

Most of this seems exceedingly trivial - note also that the section has a {{main}} link to Sinking of the Titanic, which is at least ten times as long and yet does not include either of these details, AFAI can tell. Suggest removal, maybe retaining the first sentence of the second of the paragraphs. - 2A02:560:594B:1A00:BD1F:6F7E:31D1:C590 (talk) 21:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

 Removed Left guide (talk) 23:19, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2024

For the background section, it goes too far into detail about how the name Titanic was formed and seems to trail off a little bit. I think it would be more beneficial for it to be shortened into one paragraph instead of multiple huge ones. This way, it makes for an easier read and also sticks more to the point. Carenaadkins (talk) 21:46, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 03:53, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Lifeboat Davits

There's a discrepancy regarding the capacity of the lifeboat davits, if I'm reading it all correctly.

From the lede: Titanic was equipped with 16 lifeboat davits, each capable of lowering three lifeboats, for a total of 48 boats.

From the Lifeboat section: Titanic had 16 sets of davits, each able to handle four lifeboats as Carlisle had planned. This gave Titanic the ability to carry up to 64 wooden lifeboats which would have been enough for 4,000 people 57.135.233.22 (talk) 17:35, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

I'll go ahead and fix that. Carlisle had been shot down by the British Board of Trade, so the ship could only carry up to 48 boats. Erin (SSBelfastFanatic) (talk) 11:23, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Auction of watch

I removed the following as WP:PROMO, as part of a cleanup effort of similarly promotional content.

On April 27, 2024, a gold pocket watch recovered from the wreckage of the Titanic was sold at auction for £1.175 million (approximately $1.5 million) by London-based auction house Henry Aldridge & Son. This sale is noted to be a record price for Titanic memorabilia. The watch, made of 14k gold and inscribed with the initials "JJA," belonged to John Jacob Astor IV, a prominent real estate magnate and investor who was the wealthiest passenger on the Titanic. Astor's body, along with the watch, was recovered a week after the ship's sinking in 1912. His net worth at the time was estimated to be around $87 million, which is equivalent to several billion dollars today.

The watch was later restored and worn by Astor's son, enhancing its significance as a piece of horological history and its connection to the Titanic. The purchase was made by Patrick Gruhn, a former executive of the cryptocurrency exchange FTX, which led to some public commentary and snark regarding the transaction.

The sale of the watch has stirred some controversy, particularly among the Titanic preservation community. The Save Titanic Memorial Lighthouse group, composed of descendants of Titanic passengers, expressed concerns on social media about the auctioning of such artifacts, advocating that they should be placed in museums rather than private collections. Despite these concerns, the auction house reported that the complaints were minimal and emphasized that many Titanic artifacts eventually make their way into museum collections.

References

Al Jazeera is generally reliable. There's no author that I can find, and the "Source: News Agencies" at the bottom makes it questionable. https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/26/style/john-jacob-astor-watch-titanic-scli-intl-gbr/index.html is better.

As far as the level of detail that's WP:DUE and where to put it. It certainly doesn't belong in "Northern Ireland". I'll leave it to someone that's following this article closely as where such content should be placed.

If others feel that this is DUE in this or some related article, I propose:

In 2024, a gold pocket watch originally belonging to John Jacob Astor IV was sold at auction for £1.175 million (approximately $1.5 million), a record for Titanic memorabilia. The watch had been recovered from the wreckage in 1912.

I'm not finding any obvious article/section where it would belong. --Hipal (talk) 23:08, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Remove. Completely undue weight. One single item that adds zero to the overall understanding of the article. Has little real relevance. Canterbury Tail talk 02:34, 7 September 2024 (UTC)