Talk:Thor: Love and Thunder

Miek

Is there any legitimate source for Stephen Murdoch voicing Miek? The only source referenced on this site is an editorial GamesRadar article. Meanwhile, the actual credits of the film list Carly Rees as portraying Miek. Plus, according to his IMDB, Stephen Murdoch is a stunt performer for both Ragnarok and Love and Thunder, so even if he was involved with Miek here, it's much more likely that he was the on-set performance, not the voice. NickH (talk) 06:26, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Box office

What is showing in imdb pro that love and thunder has grossed 1.5 billion dollars that is not possibe someone can tell me what is happening ?? 117.207.176.79 (talk) 01:09, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Probably another situation of this: Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Film finance task force#Box Office Mojo. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:47, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Composers in Infobox

According to Template:Infobox film, the parameter instructions for "Music by" states "Insert the name(s) of the composer(s) of the original music score. They are usually credited with "Music by". Composers credited for "additional music" and songwriters should not be included. Separate multiple entries using either {{ubl}} or {{plainlist}}. Link each composer to their article if possible."

In Love and Thunder, Michael Giacchino and Nami Melumad wrote the score with Giacchino also writing the themes, as indicated in the end credits. Given that, I have a general question: is it relevant to mention Giacchino as the theme music composer in the infobox? Thanks. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 04:00, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Earth

This is an interesting term that has been added to the plot summary. I don't remember this being used anywhere in the MCU, including this film which is what the plot summary should be based on. - adamstom97 (talk) 19:36, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

It was coined by the MCU fan wiki, and then Ms. Marvel ep. 1 made the term official. InfiniteNexus (talk) 01:42, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Okay, I still think we should avoid it in plot summaries for movies and shows that don't use that term. The only things from outside the plot that we usually include are the notes directing people to other projects for further context. - adamstom97 (talk) 02:26, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

I concur. I'm not that fond of using fan-conceived terms on here, and some things from the fan wiki have crossed over here over time, which I don't think is a precedent we want to set. I shall note it is used on Avengers (Marvel Cinematic Universe), where it redirects to, though I'm not sure if that should remain there. Trailblazer101 (talk) 03:47, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, a couple years back I started noticing that a lot of our character articles were using the term, so I investigated and traced its origin to the MCU fan wiki. At the time, I also felt that we shouldn't be blindly following their unofficial fan-coined terms (they have a bizarre and elaborate naming policy, take a look), but I was unable to come up with a better alternative for use on our articles (including the redirect). No one else brought this up for over a year, so I just kind of went with it. But I also agree that plot summaries should be using something more generic. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:07, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

The MCU wiki is all over the place (and has even copied the basic concept of WikiProjects), so I think it's best we avoid using stuff generated there. The Battle of Earth disambig page notes this MCU event as such, and probably shouldn't given it's largely a fan term. I'm pretty sure we can just leave out these mentions and just state what happened, ie in this instance, we can solely mention Thor rejoining the Guardians plus the note about the EG depiction. The redirect target doesn't even source the terminology or support its usage in the paragraph (which lacks any direct source). The sources in the image caption next to it also do not support this. The /Film one calls it the Battle of Upstate New York, while The Mary Sue's just calls it the final battle and notes several sequences from it. Some quick searches do show sources addressing the battle is in upstate NY and use the final battle term, and others show just the Fandom wikis using the Battle of Earth term when others use the final battle term, such as this Screen Rant piece. We could go with the upstate NY one, or go a different route with say "final battle with/against Thanos" or something along those lines. Trailblazer101 (talk) 05:07, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Figuring out what to put in the Love and Thunder plot summary will not be a difficult task, we can just say the Avengers' battle against Thanos or something like that. What's more problematic is how we should title the redirect, which is used on a handful of articles. If we don't like Battle of Earth, we could go with /Film's Battle of Upstate New York or perhaps Battle at the Avengers Compound, but if we coin our own term that is no different than the MCU fan wiki's coinage of "Battle of Earth", and it may also be WP:OR. Or, we could ditch the redirect (and delete, if possible, though I'm not optimistic about its chances at RfD) in favor of directly linking to the section on Avengers (Marvel Cinematic Universe), which I guess should be renamed. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:05, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

That is very true. I'd be fine with Battle of Upstate New York or Battle at the Avengers Compound for referring to the event when relevant, so long we have enough reputable sources calling it such. I'm not quite sure the redirect should remain, but we could end up ditching it or renaming it. Trailblazer101 (talk) 14:51, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

@InfiniteNexus: Any further thoughts on this? Trailblazer101 (talk) 00:40, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

I don't know what we're going to do with the redirect itself, but I think there's general agreement to at least pipe the link with something more generic, like the Avengers' battle against Thanos. InfiniteNexus (talk) 15:40, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

That works for me. I think we can rename the redirect to /Film's Battle of Upstate New York and create Battle at the Avengers Compound as a secondary redirect. It'd be a handful to update each link and instance of the term in the articles, so I'm wondering if there'd be a good resource for that. I was thinking AWB, though I've struggled to get that to work on my end in the past. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:41, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Actually, I took a further look and it doesn't seem like such a hassle. I have already started to manually take a stab at the instances of the term and incorporate the necessary changes and can implement them over the weekend. I do expect it to be a while before it catches on, though setting a precedent of not allowing fan terms to remain is necessary if we're going to keep having these in-universe articles popping up. Trailblazer101 (talk) 03:20, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

 Done I have swapped out the L&T and Quantumania usage with the generalized statement whilst linking to the Avengers section for the event. I moved the redirect to Battle at the Avengers Compound as it is consistent with the section title, and updating the usage on the articles it was used at. Since it was the only thing slightly justifying the Battle of Earth disam, I have redirected that one to Battle for Earth. I don't anticipate the "Battle of Earth" term to be actively sought after, which is why I let it be deleted rather than saved as a redirect. Trailblazer101 (talk) 03:58, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

With Secret Invasion now the second MCU property to officially use the fan wiki-coined "Battle of Earth", what should we do? InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:00, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

"Once An Accident, Twice A Coincidence, Three Times A Pattern" but that probably doesn't apply to this

I'm fine if we want to go back to using it because it's sounding like it's the official term now, but I'm also fine with sticking with Battle at the Avengers Compound if that's what others prefer. I'm glad you brought this up because I completely forgot where we had this conversation at. -- ZooBlazer^talk 03:06, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

I think I had a bigger reaction when they said "Battle of Earth" (I was like, come on), "the Snap" (?!), and "Widow's Veil" (so glad they didn't go with the fan wiki's "photostatic veil") than when O-T Fagbenle appeared, LOL. InfiniteNexus (talk)

I think it's fine to use "Battle of Earth" as the official MCU name, but in plot summaries that don't use that term we should probably still go with something like "the battle at the Avengers Compound". - adamstom97 (talk) 20:53, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

I agree. It's a case-by-case basis, especially now that it has been used twice. Trailblazer101 (talk) 05:19, 23 July 2023 (UTC)