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A fact from Thomas Arne appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 26 November 2008, and was viewed approximately 2,928 times (disclaimer) (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the majority of the more than 90 stage works composed by Thomas Arne (pictured) are now lost, probably destroyed in the disastrous fire at Covent Garden in 1808?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2008/November.

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U of North Texas Virtual Rare Book Room?

This link is not only broken, but the page may not even exist. A search of U of NT reveals only Arne's works on microfilm, and a pdf of Artaxerxes. Delmlsfan (talk) 03:07, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Composer project review

I've reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles. This is a really nice article; it's clearly not far from GA/FA consideration. From a composer biography perspective, the only thing keeping it from an A rating is the lack of a list of (known) compositions. Read me detailed review on the comments page. Questions and comments can be left here or on my talk page. Magic♪piano 14:46, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Arne Religion

This source states that he was in fact baptized in the Roman Catholic faith and despite not having a lot of attachement to it, he never renounced it: "Arne was baptised a Catholic, his mother's faith and, while his religion was never an overbearing influence on his life, it meant that he composed no music for the Anglican church - unlike Handel, Boyce, Stanley and even Pepusch - and excluded him from the circles of royal and noble patronage that his rivals enjoyed. Arne's personal life was also the cause of scandal: in the late 1750s he took his pupil Charlotte Brent (25 years his junior, she was later to star in many of his productions) as his mistress, abandoning his wife in Dublin with an allowance, only to reconcile with her the year before his death after Brent married another man."[1]85.243.91.31 (talk) 23:15, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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==Composers Project Assessment of Thomas Arne: 2008-11-25==

This is an assessment of article Thomas Arne by a member of the Composers project, according to its assessment criteria. This review was done by Magicpiano.

If an article is well-cited, the reviewer is assuming that the article reflects reasonably current scholarship, and deficiencies in the historical record that are documented in a particular area will be appropriately scored. If insufficient inline citations are present, the reviewer will assume that deficiencies in that area may be cured, and that area may be scored down.

Adherence to overall Wikipedia standards (WP:MOS, WP:WIAGA, WP:WIAFA) are the reviewer's opinion, and are not a substitute for the Wikipedia's processes for awarding Good Article or Featured Article status.

===Origins/family background/studies=== Does the article reflect what is known about the composer's background and childhood? If s/he received musical training as a child, who from, is the experience and nature of the early teachers' influences described?

Good

===Early career=== Does the article indicate when s/he started composing, discuss early style, success/failure? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?

Good

===Mature career=== Does the article discuss his/her adult life and composition history? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?

Good

===List(s) of works=== Are lists of the composer's works in WP, linked from this article? If there are special catalogs (e.g. Köchel for Mozart, Hoboken for Haydn), are they used? If the composer has written more than 20-30 works, any exhaustive listing should be placed in a separate article.

No complete list of known surviving works.

It seems to me that a discography at the least is absolutely necessary to make this item of higher quality. It is far too facile to simply dismiss the body of his work by noting that much of it was likely destroyed in a Covent Garden fire. There are enough surviving works to warrant a recent outpouring of recordings; they must be coming from somewhere! The quality of the works, and their specifics, must clearly be of far greater interest than a routine biography such as given, dominating the article. A scholarly undertaking begging to be pursued, perhaps. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.190.251.212 (talk) 03:46, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

===Critical appreciation=== Does the article discuss his/her style, reception by critics and the public (both during his/her life, and over time)?

Good

===Illustrations and sound clips=== Does the article contain images of its subject, birthplace, gravesite or other memorials, important residences, manuscript pages, museums, etc? Does it contain samples of the composer's work (as composer and/or performer, if appropriate)? (Note that since many 20th-century works are copyrighted, it may not be possible to acquire more than brief fair use samples of those works, but efforts should be made to do so.) If an article is of high enough quality, do its images and media comply with image use policy and non-free content policy? (Adherence to these is needed for Good Article or Featured Article consideration, and is apparently a common reason for nominations being quick-failed.)

Good

===References, sources and bibliography=== Does the article contain a suitable number of references? Does it contain sufficient inline citations? (For an article to pass Good Article nomination, every paragraph possibly excepting those in the lead, and every direct quotation, should have at least one footnote.) If appropriate, does it include Further Reading or Bibliography beyond the cited references?

Apparently being worked on. Direct quotations need to be cited.

===Structure and compliance with WP:MOS=== Does the article comply with Wikipedia style and layout guidelines, especially WP:MOS, WP:LEAD, WP:LAYOUT, and possibly WP:SIZE? (Article length is not generally significant, although Featured Articles Candidates may be questioned for excessive length.)

Lead should be 2-3 paragraphs.

===Things that may be necessary to pass a Good Article review===

Article requires more inline citations (WP:CITE) (mainly direct quotes)
Article lead needs work (WP:LEAD) (expand to 2-3 paragraphs)

===Summary=== The article appears to be undergoing active work (primarily citations, based on the recent edit history).

This is a fairly well-written, well-rounded biography. It contains appropriate amounts of detail about the personal, professional, and composing aspects of the man's life. Well done.

The primary lack, from the perspective of a composer's biography, is a complete listing of his known works. Beyond that, there appear to be relatively modest things between where the article is today, and GA/FA consideration:

all direct quotes need citation (on the sentence containing the quote)
the lead needs to be expanded (3 paragraphs should be good)

This article is B-class, but only because it lacks a list of compositions. Magic♪piano 14:43, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 03:47, 27 October 2015 (UTC). Substituted at 08:35, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

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