Talk:The Naked Brothers Band (TV series)

GA Review

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Reviewer: liquidluck✽talk 02:23, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Links and images

• four links to disambiguation pages.
• two dead refs
• I believe Newsblaze was ruled unreliable.
• There are four non-free images; the logo qualifies as fair use, but I don't believe the three images used in the seasons section do; they should be removed. If anything, use a single image featuring the entire cast. Michael Wolff also has a free image that might be useful.

Content

With a quick once-over, I notice that the Cast, Crew, and Media sections are completely unreferenced. Most of the information in these sections are referenced in other sections, however, so it shouldn't be too hard to add the needed refs and I won't quick-fail it for that. The article also lacks a casting information, which could be added to the cast section. Excellent work on the Production section, though- it looks like all the major stages are covered.

This isn't a complete review, but a start. I'll put the article on hold until April 12 for these comments, and if these issues are fixed by then, I'll add a more in-depth review.

Reply: I will be inactive on Wikipedia until Monday afternoon, because I had a busy week and am having a busy weekend. So on Monday afternoon, I'll be responding (if the nomination review could squeeze in another day?) Thanx! ATC ^{. Talk} 14:34, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Sure, take until April 14! liquidluck✽talk 17:26, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Reply: I have a couple of minutes now and had a question, for later on, regarding photos. If I got a pic took from a clip of the show found online, featuring the entire cast (since they grew as the series went on, should I use three), wouldn't it qualify as free-use image? I'll eliminate the season pics, although I do think it meets free-use image policy. I could be wrong, I obviously avoided plagiarism by crediting the information to the copyright of the photos, though. Also, I'm on a Mac using Google Chrome and the link to the disambiguation page, appears as a link that Google Chrome could not connect to. Would u know if Safari or Firefox would work better in this case? Thanx for the extra time, I have a tight schedule! ATC ^{. Talk} 16:57, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia's policy on fair-use images is a bit more tricky than making sure you've credited properly. The entire criteria is outlined at WP:FUC, but the points I'm concerned about here are #3 and #8. #3 says there should be as little fair-use content in an article as possible, while #8 says fair-use images should not be purely decorative; there must be a reason it is absolutely needed in the article. A cast picture, in addition to making the article nicer-looking, would allow readers to identify cast members/characters and thereby the show. You can imagine Rosalina and Nate dating, but you can't if you don't know what they look like.

As for how many images, it appears the only significant band change is the addition of Kristina, so pick one image of the entire band, including Kristina. liquidluck✽talk 01:42, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Reply:

1. I replaced the NewsBlaze source with a PRNewswire source.
2. Also, a pic of Nat & Rosalina, is already in the article. They are hugging in the second season section. Should that remain there or be put somewhere else?
3. I erased all the other photos in the article, except for the one in the infobox—the logo for the TV show.
4. What would be the appropriate way to retrieve a free-use photo of the cast? Should I contact press companies/columnists?
5. And regarding a pic of Kristina, the problem is that she was ONLY in the last two TV movies of the series—since most episodes were TV movies—and for the last episode, which was a television episode special; that means I can not find any photos of Kristina together with the cast online, unless I use a picture of a clip from the episodes she was in, if that is legal? There are pics of Kristina by herself, as well as, Facebook and MySpace pics of Kristina with Allie—which I know for a fact that FB and MySpace are two websites that aren't allowed to be used for anything on Wikipedia. Although, Nat & Alex are currently in the process of recording their third season album (which is expected to be released from the end of the summer to early fall), and if they get the cast together for pics on the album, maybe Kristina will be depicted on pics for the album as well?
   
6. Please expand on what you mean by a "decorative image", as I think you are referring to the infobox photo of the show's logo on the TV show's article, although I am still confused about it.

Thanx!
ATC ^{. Talk} 23:35, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry my explanation was so confusing! By decorative, I mean images which don't do much beyond making the article better-looking; Images claimed as fair-use on Wikipedia must have good encyclopedic value. The logo is very encyclopedic and should not be removed. However, an image of the entire cast would be more encyclopedic than one of just Nat and Rosalina, so the one of them hugging should also be deleted.

As for getting an image of the entire cast, you are allowed to take a screenshot of an episode or clip and use that image.

Please know that images are not required for GA, and the article won't fail even if it doesn't have any at all. However, if you are looking for free images (not fair-use), there are already free images of Jesse Draper and Michael Wolff (the ones in the article infoboxes) uploaded, that you can use (You're welcome to crop the images, if you want). You can also simply use images of places the series has filmed at to decorate the article.

You can also try emailing the studio or representatives for the show's actors. However, you might have better luck asking people on Flickr if they would re-license one or two of the images they've already uploaded under the license CC-BY-SA. Hether Wea and durhamskywriter both have images of the Naked Brothers Band (not the whole cast, but parts of it). If you don't have a flickr account, you can ask for help at the WP:HD. liquidluck✽talk 02:11, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

1. Also is there a way I could retrieve this photo of Polly Draper directing her sons in a third season television movie in Editors Guild Magazine, by contacting the author/illustrator, Michael Grotticelli?

I highly doubt that a professional would re-license his photo, so probably not. liquidluck✽talk 02:10, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Reply:

1. 21 ^ Wingard, Shannon (March 2007). "Price Is Right On The Fast Track To Fame" (PDF). American Superstar Mag. Retrieved 2007-11-23. - is a PDF file, click it because it downloads perfectly and it is NOT the link you're referring to (I said this to avoid confusion with the other American Superstar Magazine it detects.) Look here at the references section, I do not know why the Checklink Tool server, detects a reference that is dead, if it's no longer in the article itself. Could you help me out, maybe the server for the Tool server didn't update that the source was removed?

Looks good. Sometimes the tool is wrong for some reasons, so as long as the link works I wouldn't worry about it. liquidluck✽talk 02:10, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

1. I erased one dead link source of tagworld.com about venture capitalist Tim Draper, the series' creator's brother/Nat & Alex's uncle/consulting producer and recurring cast member.

ATC ^{. Talk} 00:47, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Update Good work so far. It looks like the remaining issues in my short review are the unreferenced Cast, Crew, and Media sections, and the dead American Superstar Mag ref. liquidluck✽talk 02:10, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Reply: I've done almost all of the fix ups, and editing anymore tonight will not be feasible for my schedule. Can this expand for another day or two? And I will source the Media, crew, and cast section. ATC ^{. Talk} 02:21, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Result

Failing- for now. I understand that the nominator is busy in real life, but the article has several issues keeping it from GA status that may take a while to fix. The most prominent issue is the lack of references in the Cast, Crew, and Media sections, but there are also issues with the prose. I'll come back and give the article a more detailed review in a few days, and recommend that it goes through a peer review before its next GAN. Fortunately, the GAN reduction drive has reduced the backlog considerably, so there won't be long to wait. liquidluck✽talk 00:18, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Pending changes

This article is one of a number selected for the early stage of the trial of the Wikipedia:Pending Changes system on the English language Wikipedia. All the articles listed at Wikipedia:Pending changes/Queue are being considered for level 1 pending changes protection.

The following request appears on that page:

Comments on the suitability of theis page for "Pending changes" would be appreciated.

Please update the Queue page as appropriate.

Note that I am not involved in this project any much more than any other editor, just posting these notes since it is quite a big change, potentially

Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 00:21, 17 June 2010 (UTC).

I asked User:YellowMonkey to lock the article a little over a year ago as their had been much vandalism contributed to the page. Take care. ATC ^{. Talk} 00:31, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Naked Brothers Band (TV series)/GA3. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: TBrandley (talk · contribs) 15:56, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Way to many [citation needed] templates for GAN right now, and way too much clean-up. I also found a handful from just a quick view. Quick fail. Here are somethings you can work on though, and other reasonings for the quick fail:

• Add references to the citation needed templates, much further reference problems, no references at all in some sections
• Expand the article itself
• WP:MOS recommends using straight prose rather than bulleted and numbered lists where feasible. That being said, I see way too many tables and not enough text.
• All uses of "#" in this article, other than inside tables, should be "No.", as per WP:POUND
• Big problem is crew section. Much unneeded trivia, that, as seen above, should use straight prose rather than bulleted. One example is coordinating producer, very unneeded trivia. Unneeded per WP:MOS. Only key crew are the executive producers, regular producers, writers, director. Most others, and all unneeded trivia.
• Special appearances same as above
• A regular - should an en-dash, –, as per WP:MOS
• TV Ratings should be in reception, not episodes
• Remove flags as per MOS:FLAG.
• MOS:BOLD issues.
• "film"? It is a TV show.

I'm sorry to quick fail this. Please try to add a bunch of reference, remove pointless trivia, and use straight prose rather than bulleted. Those issues are most key. Most references that are there, like IMDb, are not "high-quality" enough for Wikipedia, per WP:RS. Sorry. TBrandley 15:56, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Massive issues

I honestly don't normally bother writing a bunch of tags and stuff on articles needing cleanup but this article was just so egregious to me I felt I had to make note of this. From distracting, sandwiched, unnecessary, quote boxes with quotes just promoting the show, to NPOV issues and possible original research regarding the series's cancellation (no mention of Nickelodeon's stance) and awards won, to MOS:TVPLOT issues, to citing puffery quotes from PRNewswire press releases, this is really in bad shape and for one that receives 500+ daily views (this is still actively read), embarrassing.

Moreover, I feel like user ATC, who has written 73% of this article, is more than just a fan. In two IMDb reviews of the show which are written like press releases (e.g., "Beautifully scripted/directed/produced, stay tuned to back-to-back of new episodes, Saturday's (on Nickelodeon) at 8:30PM/ET.") under their former Wikipedia username AnnieTigerChucky, they admit they "had the chance of receiving an autograph by the brothers in the mail in August 2007 (through a jazz saxophonist who is friends with my parents), asked the family a question at the TimesCenter Stage in January 2008 (which can be seen on YouTube), won an online contest to appear as an extra on their show, and met the family backstage after their concert a few months later. They are exceptionally nice people."

Okay, but just because one meets the cast of a TV show doesn't mean one weirdly promotes the director Polly Draper at every opportunity in this article like she's the star of the show... (why do you care about her so much?) "Being the showrunner—or leading executive producer, Polly Draper supervises the writers room, employs the cast and crew, and negotiates the budget with studio and network bosses. She also serves as head writer (another task of the executive producer) by writing most prolifically, editing scripts, and conveying storyline ideas for each episode. " This (and other sentences) come across as very PR-ey. What normal fan, or even superfan, writes stuff about someone like this. This is Wikipedia, not LinkedIn... Is the "jazz saxophonist who is friends with my parents" a coworker of Michael Wolff, who is the husband of Polly Draper? This feels like a conflict of interest.

Forgive me if this IMDb account is not connected to you and you didn't write the stuff I referred to, but nonetheless, this article has major issues, and one person is responsible for 73% of it. In fact, user ATC has been called out on Talk:Polly Draper#Written like a press release in the past.

Multiple articles related to the show are unreferenced and unnotable:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidekicks_(The_Naked_Brothers_Band)
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Bands_(film)
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_Girl_(film)
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mojo
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentine_Dream_Date
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_Idol
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Premiere_(film)

The List of The Naked Brothers Band episodes, which is written 51% by user ATC, also weirdly promotes Polly Draper: "*Note: Regardless of the episodes the boys' mother Polly Draper, the series creator and showrunner, did not direct, she still directed many of the scenes and supervised the director throughout most of its shooting." At every opportunity, informing readers "look!!! Polly Draper did this!!" Judging by the fact she doesn't seem like someone a normal person would be a fan of (who stans an obscure actress/director to the point they write stuff like this lol?), I can only infer this is due to a blatant COI.

I think going forward, the text should focus on the show, not its director so much. I also think removing the blatant PR quotes by Nickelodeon people and many others will improve it. Sorry, but this article really damages the reputation of Wikipedia in my opinion. Heartfox (talk) 07:53, 25 July 2020 (UTC)