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A fact from The Devil's Chord appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 12 June 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Doctor Who episode "The Devil's Chord" references the events of an episode that aired more than sixty years before?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/June. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Devil's Chord.

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When the article is moved to the mainspace would it go under "Fictionalised Beatles" or "Inspired by Beatles" in the Beetles template? Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 18:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you referring to Template:The Beatles filmography and videography? Going off descriptions in The Beatles in film §§ Fictionalised Beatles and Inspired by the Beatles (fictionalised: The Beatles (and the individual members) have been portrayed onscreen numerous times, through film and television. Below is a list of films and television programmes that have portrayed the Beatles. Inspired: Several fictional films not depicting the Beatles have been entirely based on Beatles themes and songs) it definitely fits "fictionalised" best. Irltoad (talk) 19:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed with Irltoad. -- Alex_21_TALK 21:09, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was: promoted by NightWolf1223 talk 14:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that a joke about diegetic music in the Doctor Who episode "The Devil's Chord" confused the production team?

Source: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/doctor-who-russell-t-davies-disney-launch-1235900101/

ALT1: ... that the production team of the Doctor Who episode "The Devil's Chord" didn't get a joke about diegetic music? Source: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/doctor-who-russell-t-davies-disney-launch-1235900101/
ALT2: ... that the Doctor Who episode "The Devil's Chord" references the events of an episode which aired over sixty years before? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/article/2024/may/11/doctor-who-space-babies-devils-chord-ncuti-gatwa-millie-gibson-beatles-jinkx-monsoon
Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Flag of San Diego County, California
Comment: Listed User:Alex 21 as an author as he moved it into mainspace. I created the article as a draft and am the top contributor.

Moved to mainspace by OlifanofmrTennant (talk) and Alex 21 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 11 past nominations.

Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 04:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Verified that the article is long enough, that there are no plagiarism concerns through the Copyvios tool and spotchecking, and that the hook is sourced in the article. Cunard (talk) 01:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Great work on the article! I verified the first two hooks through this article, which says:
  Later in that episode, there’s a great gag for film students: “I thought that was non-diegetic…”
  Oh, thank you. Thank you for getting that joke because, there are plenty of people on the production team I had to explain that too. (laughs) And then you get people who don’t understand the joke and they go, “Can we cut it?”
  I verified the third hook through this article, which says: "It isn’t a full continuity-chucking “reboot” of the Whoniverse – the events of An Unearthly Child in 1963 got a specific call-out ..." Cunard (talk) 01:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrectly reverted

When I put that Maestro was a drag queen, it was reverted with the comment that the actor was a drag queen but the character was not. This is incorrect. When the piano teacher uses female pronouns for Maestro, Maestro corrects him, using they/them, and Henry says they are his father. WordwizardW (talk) 13:13, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You would need to cite a reliable source stating that.

Also, see drag queen, ie being a drag queen is like being an actor or chef or fire fighter, etc. DonQuixote (talk) 15:42, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't "Being a trans feminine performer who's known as a drag queen, it's like they wanted me to feel comfortable and well-represented in all of the costumes." in https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-68983502 do that? Plus the character clearly looks like a drag queen. WordwizardW (talk) 07:39, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's clarifying that Monsoon is a drag queen, not the character. And "clearly looks like" is just WP:OR. -- Alex_21_TALK 07:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, that's clarifying that the costumes are of a drag queen. WordwizardW (talk) 22:31, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You would need a direct quote that says something like 'The Maestro is a drag queen' so that it's unambiguous. DonQuixote (talk) 12:04, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How about the end of this article? https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/jinkx-monsoon-doctor-who-maestro-1235998638/ "There was a time, going to acting school, when I thought I had to give up drag to be an actor, and it turns out that wasn’t true. And then I thought I had given up my chances of being an actor because I had so firmly planted my flag in the world of drag, and that ended up not being true. And now here I am, marrying the two art forms that get me out of bed in the morning, and I get to do them both at the same time." WordwizardW (talk) 06:11, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That implies that the actor is doing drag and acting at the same time. Again, you need something like 'the character is a drag queen'. DonQuixote (talk) 10:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Twist plot arc

I recently removed the text:

Twist went on to appear in every other episode of the series, cumulating in a role as Susan Triad, a creation of the finale's primary antagonist, Sutekh.^[1]

but it was restored with the edit comment "This information was added in the course of the article's GA review. Please discuss on the talk page instead of removing."

Firstly "added in the course of the article's GA review" is not a valid reason to revert an edit. There is no requirement, across Wikipedia, to discuss such edits before making them.

Furthermore, there is no need to cover this end-of-series plot point in this early-in-series article.

The text should be removed.

References

^ Bibby, Daniel (24 June 2024). "Susan Twist's Doctor Who Season 14 Role Explained: Who She Was Really Playing". Screen Rant. Retrieved 4 July 2024.

Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Given the actress played the role in all other episodes of the series, mentioning that (not the part about Sutekh) seems appropriate and also stays within WP:SPOILERS. I do think that the part about Sutekh could be removed, saying instead "...the role as Susan Triad, a character central to the season's overarcing plot." Masem (t) 12:14, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That seems reasonable. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:05, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Bibby, Daniel (24 June 2024). "Susan Twist's Doctor Who Season 14 Role Explained: Who She Was Really Playing". Screen Rant. Retrieved 4 July 2024.

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