Talk:The Color of Crime (book)

A fact from The Color of Crime (book) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 28 September 2010 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that in The Color of Crime, Katheryn Russell-Brown writes that crime and young black men have become synonymous in the American mind, giving rise to the "criminalblackman" stereotype?

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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination.

Discussions:

Moved, 2 May 2024, to The Color of Crime (book), see discussion.
Not moved, 14 May 2024, to The Color of Crime: Racial Hoaxes, White Fear, Black Protectionism, Police Harassment and Other Macroaggressions, see discussion.

Nicholas Stix

I don't think we should give Stix's opinion much weight (if any weight at all) given that Stix is an open white nationalist best known for his work with the National Policy Institute. Stonemason89 (talk) 23:26, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how that should necessarily make his views less notable. His article appears to have been published before that organisation was set up. Some identification on him may be appropriate though. Christopher Connor (talk) 23:59, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2 May 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) Toadette^Edit! 11:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Color of Crime (1998 book) → The Color of Crime (book) – Books aren't normally disambiguated by year of publication, and the other item being disambiguated (New_Century_Foundation#The_Color_of_Crime) probably isn't a "book". –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:16, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography and WikiProject Books have been notified of this discussion. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 02:20, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not so convinced. If the other The Color of Crime was a movie or an album, I think you'd be right, but it's a publication by Jared Taylor described (in the article) as a monograph and (when I googled it) as a booklet. I think many people might colloquially call such a thing a "book" -- especially if they are looking it up on Wikipedia and don't yet know that it's short. When two books need to be disambiguated from each other (as is the case here), I think the options for further disambiguation are a year, an author last name, or a genre. Genre is the same for both, and I see no reason to prefer author to year. So, I think it works as-is. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 02:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The article about The Color of Crime_(1998 book) also includes coverage of the second edition published in 2008. Disambiguation by date would appear to be overly precise. While there are two publications called The Color of Crime, the one by the New Century Foundation is described as a monograph and the only reason for these titles are now being disambiguated is that a redirect has been created to the section about the monograph. That disambiguation is by the publishing organisation, not author. The article about the book might also benefit from having a hatnote to the other disambiguated articles, to avoid confusion. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 05:48, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 14 May 2024

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Closed per consensus not to move with reasons if WP:CONCISE, and WP:SUBTITLE. The two supports (including the nominator) were bent on WP:NATURAL and WP:SUBTITLE while the three opposing !votes opposes the long length and NATURAL when it doesn't go well with WP:CONCISE. (non-admin closure) Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 14:05, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Color of Crime (book) → The Color of Crime: Racial Hoaxes, White Fear, Black Protectionism, Police Harassment and Other Macroaggressions – Per WP:SUBTITLE. JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 04:33, 14 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 04:38, 21 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 10:39, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:SUBTITLE and WP:CONCISE. Graham (talk) 05:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(The proposed title would extend over three lines on my laptop and over five lines on my phone!) Graham (talk) 17:28, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nomination and per WP:NATURAL. Numerous English Wikipedia main headers use full book titles rather than disambiguation via parenthetical qualifiers. One of the recent WP:RM discussions regarding natural book titles can be found at Talk:The Sleepwalkers: A History of Man's Changing Vision of the Universe#Requested move 5 March 2024. Directly above it, a previous discussion at Talk:The Sleepwalkers: A History of Man's Changing Vision of the Universe#Requested move 1 December 2017, lists a few other natural titles for articles about books. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:25, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:CONCISE. The examples Roman Spinner gives are much more concise, and, while WP:NATURAL states that using the alternative title (in this case, including the subtitle) is sometimes preferred, edge cases like this exist where it would impede practicality. How long is too long is ultimately a matter of editorial judgement, and there is no bright line in cases like this. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 11:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. It's very long. PARAKANYAA (talk) 05:37, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.