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Safety for Innocent Humans from Cult Influence by humans calling themseles god

Readers,

Please think before following any human. Most Swamis from India are actually predators searching for innocent to get their money, time, services through illegal means. Swami Vivekananda is no exception and was a bad human who smoked boldly and felt no remorse. There are many cases where the ashrams of Vivekananda have spoiled the lives of many innocent youths for generations through the books and so many social media. Request the innocent people to not fall trap to any brainwashing techniques by the swamis of India.

Reference: http://www.karma2grace.org/page.asp?pg=48

Also, Ramakrishna Mutt is well known for hidden treasures in many rooms taken from innocent people and also many hidden crimes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SafetyForInnocent (talk • contribs) 18:16, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The sentence "A rare gem he was in the treasure of Indian wisdom. Undoubtedly, he dazzled as a shining star in the cultural horizon of India and attracted the attention of the people of the world"..is not WP:NPOV nd has probably to be removed.

To say Vivekenanda beloged to the Freemasonry just make the section more neutrale and helps to explain his universal Hinduist religion and pacifism. Infact, in 2012 the XII World Congress of Masonic Lodges took place in India (source: freemasonry-cg.com). This makes more affordable the authoritative declarations of regional Grand Master of Southern India for Freemasons, R.Sushil Ray ([1]). Further sources were provided to point out that "Swami Shantanmananda of Ramakrishna Mission in Delhi, when contacted, told IndianExpress.com that literary evidence of Swami Vivekananda as a member of the society is limited to one of his biographies written by his followers." The source is not better described. Whether it is true or (less probaly) not, it is WP:relevant the fact that a hierarch of the Freemasonry has confirmed Vivekenanda's membership, meaning that his thought was relevant and affine to their positions.

Yoga and meditation

Multiple passages affirm closest similarities betwenn Hinduism, Islam and Christianity. Groothuis remarked the differences which make yoga distant from Christianism. This OUP source makes the WP article more neutral.

I apologize for the multiple edits, related to different sections.Regards, Theologian81sp [20 july 2021]

@Nick Moyes and Bonadea: can you find out if this is indeed blocked User:Theologian81sp? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 14:27, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Joshua Jonathan: thanks for the ping – it looks pretty likely, but I'll take a look at the rest of their contributions, too. --bonadea contributions talk 15:49, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, I have no doubt that this is the same person. --bonadea contributions talk 20:30, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) @Joshua Jonathan and Bonadea: I have blocked the IP for much longer than I might normally, as they are continuing to evade a WMF Global block, and we don't want them trying again. I must leave it up to you to decide whether to remove all their edits, which you are perfectly entitled to do with those who evade blocks in this way. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:34, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, their recent edits here are quite good... Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 20:53, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks. Just leave them, then. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:14, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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@122.161.48.180, Sharon Githirwa, and Rajwant49: these additions:

As per folklores, he is considered an incarnation of Arjuna and regarded Karna as the utimate human and possessor of all qualities of an ideal being. Vivekananda considered Mahabharata and Ramayana as history [Source: https://www.speakingtree.in/blog/arjuna-s-attitude-to-krishna-swami-vivekanada-was-arjunas-reincarnation]

and

Rama and Karna were no doubt the greatest men to walk on earth displayed their Purushartha(valour) but Krishna, Shiva and Buddha are the treasures of India. Though we have a bunch of stories describing bravery and valour in ancient India but no story of Krishna because understanding Yogis was beyond comprehension for ancient authors

The source is an unaccesible blog; blogs are not WP:RS. The Rama-quote has no source at all, and I couldn't find it with Google either. And stick to one account, please. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 17:02, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Speaking tree is not a reliable source, it publishes some wild opinions. Only scholarly sources per WP:HISTRS should be used on Wikipedia history topics. Venkat TL (talk) 17:12, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Joshua Jonathan FYI: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#LTA sockpuppetry, puffery of Karna of Mahabharata — DaxServer (talk · contribs) 22:20, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]