Talk:Tamil Nadu Electrical Licensing Board

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Name

The name appears to be the correct name used in the logo of the organisation. Also, "licencing" is acceptable but not preferred in Indian English. AusLondonder (talk) 15:00, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Their website is inconsistent. The logo does not use the English language so we can't use that as evidence, and whilst the title of the website uses the C spelling, the majority of the site's content uses the S spelling. MOS:S does not list Indian English spellings, but all other versions use the S spelling for the verb. "Licencing" is in the full-sized OED as an acceptable variant (albeit an archaic one), but I've never seen it in any other dictionary. "Licensing" is almost certainly the spelling that the Board meant to use, and the use of "licencing" is an error. Bazonka (talk) 20:46, 12 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 12 March 2016

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Per wiktionary, in British English, Canadian English, Irish English, Australian English, and New Zealand English the noun is spelled licence and the verb is license. wbm1058 (talk) 17:21, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tamil Nadu Electrical Licencing Board → Tamil Nadu Electrical Licensing Board – The standard spelling in all varieties of English is "Licensing" (see MOS:S). The Board's website uses both spellings; presumably "Licencing" was an error. See fuller discussion at Talk:Tamil Nadu Electrical Licencing Board#Name. Bazonka (talk) 20:48, 12 March 2016 (UTC) --Relisted. sst✈ 08:17, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The name appears to be the correct name used in the logo of the organisation. Also, "licencing" is acceptable (even if not preferred) in Indian English AusLondonder (talk) 08:19, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment That's not correct. The logo on their website contains no English language words at all – the text is all in (I assume) Tamil. I suppose you mean the title at the top of the website pages, which does say "Licencing". However, the rest of the website mostly uses "licensing". It's an inconsistent and horribly written website with a terrible standard of English (they don't even write "Tamil Nadu" properly).

As for whether "licencing" is acceptable in Indian English, I would like to see some evidence of this. As far as I can tell, "licencing" does not appear in any dictionaries. Every example I've seen give "license" (and hence "licensing") as the only verb form (the noun varies with English variety); the only exception being the massive every-word-ever-used-since-English-was-invented Oxford English Dictionary, which gives archaic examples of uses of "licencing". But "licencing" really isn't a correct contemporary spelling. Yes there are examples of it being used (like this Tamil Nadu website), but these are highly likely to be unintentional errors; the "licence"/"license" spelling is frequently misunderstood and misspelt.

In this case, the spellings in their website can hardly be used as a reliable source, and I can't find anything more reliable. When the best source is inconsistent, we should choose the most appropriate spelling. The only thing the C variant has in its favour is that it's the one used at the top of the website... but this is surely outweighed by the facts that the S variant is used almost everywhere else on the site, and the S spelling is overwhelmingly preferred over the archaic C spelling in all versions of English. Bazonka (talk) 20:53, 22 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This dictionary has licencing as British. Dicklyon (talk) 02:23, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it is technically a correct word, but it is archaic and not commonly used except in error. Since the Tamil Nadu website uses both spellings, the contemporary variant must be the one that we should use. Bazonka (talk) 16:39, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support using the preferred modern spelling as the translation, since the org uses both. Dicklyon (talk) 13:48, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - "Licencing" might be wrong in England but it's how they spell it themselves. CannibalSnacks (talk) 15:28, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Except it isn't how they spell it. Apart from the title at the top of the page (probably a typo), they use use the S variant. Have you looked at their website? Bazonka (talk) 16:29, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – with the official website tnelb.gov.in showing 3X "licensing board" and only 1 "licencing board", it seems like the comments claiming it's their official or preferred spelling ought to just be ignored, after which there is no reason to not move to fix. Dicklyon (talk) 15:06, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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@Wbm1058: Two oppose and one support. Hardly a consensus in favour of moving. Then giving examples of several varieties of English that spell it "licensing". That does not seem relevant to how it is spelt in India. AusLondonder (talk) 05:49, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Surely it is more about the strength, rather than the number, of arguments. Indian spellings seem to match British spellings: Motor Vehicles Act 1988 (see Chapter 2); pesticide dealers licensing; industrial licensing. Just a few official examples that I found without trying too hard. Bazonka (talk) 06:59, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Actually it's 2–2, including the proposer. This discussion was sparsely attended, and generally we don't decide consensus based on one-vote margins. We don't have any reliable sources for the name other than their website. Licencing is not a flat-out incorrect spelling, but it does seem to be a somewhat "deprecated" spelling in modern usage. If the website was clearly intentionally using this spelling, for whatever reason – because that's how they always spelled it for decades, or for unique "style", or... whatever – then we would use their interpretation of the spelling. But I don't see from their website that they intentionally spell it with a "c". Sure, it's spelled that way in the one most obvious place, the site banner, but, if you look under the hood – not just the 3× on the home page, but on the other pages as well, every other case I've seen spells it with an "s". If you can point out other places where it is spelled with "c" than just the site banner, then you might make a more convincing case that the site banner is not simply a spelling mistake. wbm1058 (talk) 13:30, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Here's an independent site that also uses an "s" [1] and an official-looking document [2] wbm1058 (talk) 13:43, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]