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Why you delete my external link? It is informative, and therefore good. https://www.pministry.gov.sy/ 47.32.112.104 (talk) 18:53, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I removed it as it points to the previous cabinet. It is still there on that article. Should the website be updated to reflect the new reality on the ground, I will re-add it.Dn9ahx (talk) 23:08, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 9 December 2024

It has been proposed in this section that Syrian transitional government be renamed and moved to Mohammed al-Bashir government.

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Syrian transitional government → Mohammed al-Bashir government – Precedent with articles on other governments generally being titled in a similar manner (e.g. Mohammad Ghazi al-Jalali government), and the government not having an official name. Another alternative would be "Mohammed al-Bashir interim government". The current title is vague and inconsistent with the naming scheme of similar articles. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 15:54, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait till the government is fully formed first Abo Yemen ✉ 15:55, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The Government will remain transitional. It is not a fully fledged Government. DerEchteJoan (talk) 16:39, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The transitional government is worthy of an article in and of itself. Once the government is fully formed and a true successor state emerges, a separate article on a specific prime minister's government could be created. Pluma (talk) 16:47, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Syria and WikiProject Politics have been notified of this discussion. Abo Yemen ✉ 16:50, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose transitional governments are always referred to as transitional governments, similar to the Transitional Islamic State of Afghanistan. Great Mercian (talk) 18:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I used the title “Syrian transitional government” as a generic description when creating the article as it was not clear at the time who would lead the government or whether it would have an official name. I personally think we should wait a few days before deciding what the long term title should be. The generic name works just fine for now. Dn9ahx (talk) 20:18, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Proposed title is not consistent with other pages related to transitional governments. Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 21:08, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose It's not yet a full-fledged government but a transitional one, as the name states. Urban Versis 32^KB ⚡ ^{(talk / contribs)} 02:01, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as per above reasons. It is too early to rename. Zorblin (talk) 05:13, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This would create ambiguity, since Bashir is also PM of the Salvation Government. I concur with Dn9ahx that this article name is only a placeholder. Nicknimh (talk) 06:09, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 09:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support transitional government is not officially used.

Panam2014 (talk) 20:21, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Similar to the article of Mohammad Ghazi al-Jalali government. AimanAbir18plus (talk) 20:31, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait There was already a rapid transition from the al-Jalali caretaker government to the al-Bashir transitional government, and we currently have very few sources for cabinet members in the al-Bashir government (with {{fv}}s on several of the would-be ministers' individual pages). In a week or so if the cabinet appears stable, then consider an RM to al-Bashir government. Boud (talk) 22:10, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, many credible sources called the Syrian transitional government as the Syrian transition. And I think it is best described as such.

https://www.voanews.com/a/syrian-rebels-who-overthrew-assad-name-interim-government-leader/7896304.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/syrias-rebels-work-form-government-restore-order-after-assad-ouster-2024-12-10/

But if we do have to change it, the Syrian Interim Government would be my choice, but given that these two article names practically have the same name, I don't think we need to move the article. Randomdudewithinternet (talk) 23:44, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: The reason that article was named Mohammad Ghazi al-Jalali government was because it was established during the tenure of Bashar al-Assad, not during the collapse of his regime. Therefore, using that as precedent to change the name of it is not prudent. Moreover, the situation is still volatile and Bashir's leadership is definitely not guaranteed.

Also, following precedent, many countries that had similar situations such as Libya and Iraq have articles about their transitional government named based on the words "transitional" not based on the person overseeing the transition.

In my opinion, I think we should wait to see how the situation unfold and react accordingly. However, changing it right now is not the best move. AsaQuathern (talk) 01:53, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per Chessrat; this is consistent with other articles. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 17:16, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment the name of the govt article for when the Baathist Saddam regime fell in iraq is "Iraqi Transitional Government" Abo Yemen ✉ 17:20, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The flag confusion

So why does on the Syria Wikipedia page it still uses no flag yet on the page for the government of Syria it uses the green flag? Natalieeeeeee (talk) 20:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We are waiting for reliable sources and / or official confirmation from the incoming government that the flag is formally in use.Dn9ahx (talk) 20:54, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At several embassies the old flag has been swapped out

2. this still doesn’t explain why it’s the flag of this page Natalieeeeeee (talk) 21:23, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The Revolution flag is used by the new Syrian government, so the flag should be on the top of the Syria Wikipedia page. Luke0821 (talk) 01:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because in no govt article was a flag used. (unless the state has no coat of arms) Abo Yemen ✉ 10:45, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The new flag has been observed behind the prime minister while addressing the press. It is also in use by the official X account of the Syrian Ministry of Information. 2803:C600:109:9507:4586:760D:1A97:294E (talk) 15:38, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

see Talk:Syria#Flag discussions Abo Yemen ✉ 15:40, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify - this article is about the government and not the country. On Wikipedia it is standard practice to use the coat of arms in such articles and sidebars rather than using flags. A flag is usually only used if a country has no coat of arms, seal or other similar emblem. See these examples: Government of the United Kingdom, Federal government of the United States, Government of India, Government of China. I am going to change the infobox template to the "Infobox executive government" template as that will place the emblem at the top and is more informative and visually appealing. Dn9ahx (talk) 15:47, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

yes please do so Abo Yemen ✉ 16:22, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion for a name change

Maybe we could rename the article to something like "Syrian transitional government (Mohammed Al-Bashir)" or "Syrian transitional government (Mohammed Al-Bashir government)"? Luke0821 (talk) 01:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I completely agree with you. 1nter pares (talk) 04:08, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree. The current same is fine, because its descriptive of the government for what it is - a government of transition. TimeEngineer (talk) 13:17, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Poor sourcing for ministers

At the moment, the ministerial table looks like someone is guessing that the Syrian Salvation Government#Seventh cabinet (2024) is being more or less copy/pasted into the transitional government. Maybe that's actually the case, but without sources, this is rather non-verifiable. Boud (talk) 22:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arabic-language sources would, in principle, be OK - WP:NONENGLISH - but ar-Wikipedia doesn't yet seem to be listing these, so maybe there aren't yet many ar-sources either... Boud (talk) 22:32, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They were added in this edit [1] by Yeagvr, with the explanation that "according to aljazeera & HTS sources the same SSG ministries will hold the role in the transition government." David O. Johnson (talk) 23:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Govt flags

@Ghostantinos see this [2] Abo Yemen ✉ 10:57, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Title

@Zabezt: Please find sources that show that the transitional government in Syria formally refers to itself as the "Syrian Transitional Government" before moving this article. This move has already been tried and reverted once before. –Gluonz^{talk contribs} 15:18, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]