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Requested move 17 December 2019

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The result of the move request was: Not moved — Amakuru (talk) 14:00, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

– Since "new" is a relative time reference, and thus discouraged from use, it may not be appropriate to name this article "New Sydney Football Stadium". There is however a precedent to disambiguate articles on stadiums with the same name by noting the opening year of a previous stadium, i.e. Wembley Stadium (1923) and Yankee Stadium (1923). Therefore, the article on the former Sydney Football Stadium can be titled Sydney Football Stadium (1988). – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 19:35, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Agree Moa999 (talk) 23:55, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 10:42, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as the 'new' stadium is proposed and not yet built. Therefore a better location might be Proposed Sydney Football Stadium. If/when it is built then can either rename to Sydney Football Stadium or Sydney Football Stadium (2021) (for example) but that will need a separate discussion. Giant Snowman 10:45, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman: It's going to be built. The correct terminology would be planned, not proposed. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 11:44, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In the same way that the Garden Bridge was going to be built until it wasn't? WP:CRYSTAL applies here. Giant Snowman 11:47, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman: It seems I need to clarify what "planned" means in this context – the stadium's construction has been funded and approved by the government. [1][2]. "Proposed" implies that it has neither. What the Garden Bridge has to do with this at all is beyond me. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 12:57, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I know what planned means. Lots of things get planned but never come to fruition. The fact there is approval and funding is great, but actually irrelevant. What if there is a change in Government and approval is removed? What if the funding falls through? etc. Giant Snowman 13:19, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman: Reliable sources have verified that the stadium is planned to be built, therefore the use of "proposed" is inappropriate here. This is the factual current status of development. Trying to raise "what if"s about the future of the project would actually be the WP:CRYSTAL concern here. I hope you understand this. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 14:55, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Throwing in an agreement with PhilipTerryGraham, "Planned" is not in any way WP:CRYSTAL concern in this context. It is planned to be built. Plans change, and "proposal" is inaccurate. Cerebral726 (talk)

Then why does the article open with "The New Sydney Football Stadium is a proposed football stadium in Moore Park, Sydney, Australia."? Change that and move this article to Planned Sydney Football Stadium] until such time as it is actually built (3 years away). And yes, "planned" is still CRYSTAL. Lots of things that are planned never happen. Giant Snowman 16:56, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like the status of the project needs to be updated then, since plans have been made. Saying it's planned doesn't mean we are saying it is going to happen, it's just that plans have been laid out, arrangements have been made, etc. No specific predictions are being made, we are simply saying it is currently "planned." Cerebral726 (talk) 17:01, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Also fine with Planned Sydney Football Stadium as an alternative. Cerebral726 (talk) 18:00, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Cerebral726: Might want to sign your messages, just as a heads up! – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 17:49, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@PhilipTerryGraham: Apologies, thanks for the heads up. I'm terrible at remembering to do that. Cerebral726 (talk) 18:00, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Given the contract has now been signed and construction will commence shortly don't think any need for planned/proposed. It will be complete before the next election. Moa999 (talk) 22:58, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose at least for now. New Sydney Football Stadium is the commonly used working title, but the official name has not yet been confirmed. It may well end up not being named the Sydney Football Stadium. Suggest waiting until the new name is confirmed and then revisiting if required. Sydfacor (talk) 09:25, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose moving any other title to the base Sydney Football Stadium title at this time. The current stadium is what is usually meant by the search term at present. Changing the primary topic of "Sydney Football Stadium" will break any links to the current stadium. Dekimasuよ! 10:33, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 1 January 2020

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) NNADIGOODLUCK (Talk|Contribs) 07:44, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

New Sydney Football Stadium → Sydney Football Stadium (2021) – Per my previous rationale for moving the page away from "New Sydney Football Stadium", the use of "new" is discouraged from use in these circumstances as it is a relative time reference. This new proposal differs as instead I'm proposing it to be moved to "Sydney Football Stadium (2021)" per the suggestion of GiantSnowman in the previous discussion, which other users had no discernible opposition to. Pinging Cerebral726, Dekimasu, Moa999, and Sydfacor as participants in the previous discussion. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 23:15, 1 January 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 19:02, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm ok with that approach, although not sure if there is a precedent, assuming the base Sydney Football Stadium page becomes a disambiguation page with links to both, and a naming change is considered again when the stadium opens. In reference to Sydfacor's opposition on the prior discussion, it's fairly clear that the base name will remain Sydney Football Stadium - http://www.infrastructure.nsw.gov.au/projects-nsw/sydney-football-stadium-redevelopment/. It will undoubtedly get a 'naming rights' sponsor, but these are used as Redirects, eg. ANZ Stadium Moa999 (talk) 08:45, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. Giant Snowman 20:04, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support per suggestion at previous RM. Giant Snowman 20:06, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose New Sydney Football Stadium is fine for now. As stated in the previous discussion, it may not end up being named Sydney Football Stadium. It's completion date has now been pushed back until late 2022, and as this is a project that has suffered numerous delays already, could easily slip again. Think it best to wait until both the official name and opening date are confirmed and then deal with. Bromptop (talk) 06:59, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Bromptop: We'd have to deal with the current situation, though, not what we think is going to happen in the future. Unless you have an alternative proposal, "Sydney Football Stadium (2021)" is the only appropriate name at the moment that complies with precedent and resolves the relative time reference issue of the word "New". – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 06:09, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly, stating that it will be named the Sydney Football Stadium is crystal balling, it may well end up being named something else. Plenty of infrastructure projects are conceived under one name, only to be renamed by the time they are opened; Stadium Australia, Tallawong railway station, Newcastle Interchange and some of the light rail stops being examples. There will be a time to rename the article, but until we know what the name will be, don't see a pressing need when the current name is crystal clear as to what it is. Also, it is scheduled to open in 2022, not 2021. Bromptop (talk) 00:42, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Bromptop: "Sydney Football Stadium" is the current name for the project. This is not crystal balling. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 07:26, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose current, Support anything without "new". "New" is unencyclopedic. Encyclopedic material should be timeless. "New" is recentism. Also, it is not yet "new", because it does not yet exist. When it does exist, the next day it will no longer be new. Also, it will almost certainly have a new name by then. The generic name, with a parenthetical proposal or completion date would be OK. The proposed is OK. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:55, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Unfortunately, due to the vagaries of the English language, we can not consistently present this as "new" rather than "New"; my first impression on reading the title would be that "New Sydney" is part of the name, which I would guess would also be confusing to other readers. BD2412 T 14:51, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support (2022). "New" could be okay if that's how the media refered to it like they did with New Yankee Stadium. That is not the case for this stadium so we should use the estimated date of completion (2022) or some other disambiguator. BLAIXX 18:25, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: New Sydney Football Stadium is what it is. Leave it until the rebuild is actually done. Macktheknifeau (talk) 04:45, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support with some disambiguator – e.g., "Sydney Football Stadium (proposed for 2022)": Per SmokeyJoe, every stadium was new at some point in time and Wikipedia should avoid using relative time (WP:RELTIME), and this stadium doesn't even exist. In fact, there doesn't even seem to be a clear plan for it to exist. —BarrelProof (talk) 20:00, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Primary topic

Currently Sydney Football Stadium is a redirect to the now demolished Sydney Football Stadium (1988). Inevitably when the new Sydney Football Stadium (2022) opens, editors will incorrectly link Sydney Football Stadium instead of Sydney Football Stadium (2022).

Should we either change Sydney Football Stadium to point to the 2022 article, or set it up as a disambiguation page? Or should the 2022 article be renamed Sydney Football Stadium after it opens as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC as is the case with Wembley Stadium and Wembley Stadium (1923)? Either way, 1,200 incoming links will need to be corrected. Verinaliad (talk) 10:52, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

capacity

how about some info in how many people can fit in to the stadium? 2403:580A:A0EE:1:1944:5BD6:4107:4BA2 (talk) 00:06, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Allianz Stadium

Trellianz 115.64.44.22 (talk) 08:06, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. EnIRtpf09b^{chat with me} 10:34, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Home Teams

The South Sydney Rabbitohs played a game at Allianz Stadium in May and are now a semi-permanent tenant of the ground Talsta (talk) 11:19, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Sydney Football Stadium 2" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Sydney Football Stadium 2 has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 27 § Sydney Football Stadium 2 until a consensus is reached. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:09, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]