Talk:Super Bowl/Archive 2

Game History/Notable Games.Honorable Mention Section

As a suggestion, the "Game History" section should be completely redone. Instead of having "Notable Super Bowl" games vs. "Honorable Mention" and some not even listed, it perhaps should follow the example of Indianapolis 500 year by year. They took what was once "notable years," created a spinoff page, and instead of listing some, listed all, without an opinion whether it was good or bad. Every single year was listed, with a brief descrption. I think that the Super Bowl, which has half as many entires, could be done very similair. It would eliminate any neutrality issues, disputes, and POV. Doctorindy 19:14, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Use of terminology "football"

Is the term football used as an americanism for Rugby? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.159.68.216 (talk • contribs) .

Not exactly. Rugby and American football have evolved into completely different games. As Wikipedia's football article currently says that is "is the name given to a number of different, but related, team sports. By far the most popular of these worldwide is Association football, which also goes by the name of soccer. The English language word football is also applied to Rugby football (Rugby union and Rugby league), American football, Australian rules football, Gaelic football and Canadian football." Zzyzx11 (Talk) 12:26, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Failed GA

I refailed the GA nom on this article as it has a PoV tag in one section, rather sloppy writing, and references need to be fixed. Thanks Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 19:41, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is this rant necessary?

There is a popular urban myth regarding the Super Bowl — that the game is watched in 234 countries by 1 billion people [1], a fact unlikely to be true considering the time of the event and the lack of popularity American Football has outside of the United States. While Super Bowl XXXIX in 2005 was available to a potential audience of approximately one billion, i.e. one billion people are in the collective coverage area of the various channels that carried the game, in actual fact it was only watched by 93 million viewers in total, of which 98 percent were in North America [2]. Approximately half of the remaining 2 million worldwide viewers watched from the United Kingdom.

Honestly, is this long diatribe against an NFL press release really necessary? The NFL's official site says, "The game will be broadcast to a potential worldwide audience of 1 billion in more than 225 countries and territories." Misleading? Sure. But don't you all think that the above rant is much ado about nothing? Aplomado ^talk 00:42, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would hardly call it a 'long diatribe'. It's three sentences, of which two are viewing-figure facts.

Anyway, this isn't about the press release. This is about the popular urban myth which probably stems from the press release but is perpetuated by many media outlets - and has been for a number of years. John the mackem 12:00, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I just thought the question beared asking. Aplomado ^talk 21:00, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to read the comments on the "1 Billion" Urban Myth section above. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 01:43, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, someone has deleted the second half of the paragraph. If you think the whole thing should go, fine, but at the moment it doesn't even make sense anymore. In any case it was all referenced so I don't see the problem. I realise some Americans may see the inclusion as a little bizarre, but the 1 billion myth is all that many people hear about the Superbowl, so I see nothing wrong with a short para that makes sense. Shane1 15 August 2006

Can the alleged "popularity" of this myth be cited? I've simply never heard this myth before, and just because a few dippy articles are written by some sloppy journalists parroting a misleading press release does not necessarily constitute the existance of an urban myth, much less a popular one. Hell, this myth is not even listed on the Superbowl page [3] of the Urban Legends Reference Pages. --Bletch 03:47, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In the UK the only coverage of American football is around superbowl time and I have heard variations of this myth several times. Usually claiming that it is the 2nd most viewed sporting event after the football world cup, which is almost certainly erroneous but hard to prove either way. Whether similiar myths exist in non-English speaking countries I have no idea. 8 Feb 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.77.84.68 (talk • contribs)

The reason that I do not believe that it qualifies as an urban myth is that there doesn't seem to be any traction; googling around shows a great deal of hits, but they are either direct quotes of the press releases or debunking those quotes. OTOH, urban myths generally refer to stories that get passed around without knowledge of the origin; something that doesn't seem to apply here. As for why this story gets passed around the UK media while never being discussed in the US media, I have no idea. --Bletch 13:15, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Notable Super Bowls

I didn't put the POV tag on this section, but I can see why it has one. There's a number of problems with it.

15 games are listed as either notable or as an honorable mention. That's about 40 percent of all the Super Bowls. If anything, should this section just list 3 or 4 of the most notable?

That brings me to my second point. "Notability" is something that needs to be determined by outside references, of which this section has none.

Finally, why is this section necessary? What does it add to the article?

—Aplomado ^talk 00:47, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to read the comments on the "POV" section above. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 01:43, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Several Wiki articles have sections for "notable" - however, what defines "notable"? FYI, that definition will vary from person to person. KyuuA4 18:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Super Bowl XLVIII

Why is Super Bowl XLVIII set to redirect to this article, when Super Bowl XLIX has an article of its own? If the argument is that XLVIII fails the not a crystal ball guideline, why is XLIX allowed to stand? -- Grinnblade 22:10, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, after doing a little more research, I see that XLIX was also a redirect for a short period of time. But I still wonder why exactly XLIX has an article and XLVIII doesn't. -- Grinnblade 22:10, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you read Super Bowl XLIX, the league was planning on possibly giving it to Kansas City if they had passed a ballot measure to raise sales taxes to raise funds to improve Arrowhead Stadium. However, the measure failed to pass and the city subsequently withdrew. All of this is cited with references -- which is why that article does not qualify under the "not a crystal ball".

On the other hand, there has not been any specific verifable information yet on the preparation for Super Bowl XLVIII, which is why it is currently a redirect. Also note that Super Bowl XLV barely passes as an article instead of a redirect because there is one cited report on who has expressed interest in bidding for the game. Hope this explanation helps. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:23, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can update you on Super Bowl XLVIII. According to the ticker on NFL Network, city officials in Indianapolis have bid for the game, which would be played at Lucas Oil Stadium, which will open next year. - Desmond Hobson (talk) 03:51, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Myths about the Super Bowl

Should the myth that more domestic abuse occurs during the weekend of the Super Bowl be included? It's a pretty prominent myth I've heard most of my life (I'm 24) but that has no evidence of being true, but it spread nonetheless. Throw 19:14, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

iirc, it was previously on here, but removed because there were no cited sources or references. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 19:18, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's a false myth. You could check it on snopes.com

Entertainment

I think a section (chart) should be added listing the National Anthem and Halftime performers. This would help me since I have about a dozen Star Spangled Banners on my iPod, but am not sure which year each one is from.TonyTheTiger 22:13, 5 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

An article called Super Bowl Halftime Shows currently exists. You could rename it and expand on it. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:37, 5 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Jackson hypothesis

I've removed this reference to the Janet Jackson incident:

Some think that this was intentional for publicity, possibly so that Janet could detract attention from her brother Michael Jackson, who was facing child molestation charges.

It's unsourced weaseling ("some think...") and obviously Original research. --Tony Sidaway 15:22, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah that version needed to go. But it was a relatively common opinion publically on the incident. I mean it's almost certainly an untrue theory, but the fact that a lot of people believed it might warrant a mention somewhere, more likely in Super Bowl XXXVIII halftime show controversy though. I might see if there is anything approaching mainstream media coverage of this theory... that would add some credibility to it. Of course I'm really not terribly interested in the whole ordeal... just mentioning it here in case other people are. --W.marsh 15:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If it were in fact a relatively common opinion, surely it would have been written about. Therefore, we need an actual source cited, or it does sound weaseling and OR. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 16:49, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Trends

Who the heck added the completely unsourced and WP:OR "Trends" section? That does not belong in this article. —Wrathchild ^(talk) 04:11, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, it's been a week. I'll be bold. —Wrathchild ^(talk) 14:09, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am the one who added the chart that got whacked of QBs with Multiple Wins. I put a lot of effort into adding hyperlinks so that it all was verifiable, so I don't see how a "completely unsourced" criticism applies. ChrisnHouston 16:58, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I added the bit about the winning streaks by conferences. That's not WP:OR...it's been published. --Dougwalters 18:58, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of information

An anon user has been continually removing information without giving a reason why: [4]. I have asked him a lot to clarify why, but he has not, and has used multiple IPs to circumvent 3RR; I suspect it's more a vandalism kind of thing. Do you guys think the information is relevant? If so, I encourage you to add it back in; if not, please explain here; thanks! Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 20:59, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that particular "might have been" is appropriate for the article either. No, I'm not the anon who has been removing it. —Wrathchild ^(talk) 04:05, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He he, if you could explain why, please do. This user became involved in a ridiculous edit war, if you look at the page history, over this information, and alienated about 6 people in the process. I don't believe you're that IP (you wouldn't bother coming to the talk page) - but please explain how this information doesn't help. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 04:08, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A "what if" scenario is so trivial it doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article. Where does one draw the line? "If it weren't for a kickoff return for a touchdown, the Ravens would have completed the first Super Bowl shutout over the Giants." "If Kevin Dyson hadn't come up a yard short in Super Bowl XXXIV the Tennessee Titans' cinderella season would have been complete." —Wrathchild ^(talk) 19:38, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I second Wrathchild's notion. Other than an interesting sidenote exclusive to Seahawks fans, does the "whatif" situation contribute anything to the article? As stated before, the number of whatif scenarios in professional football is simply too numerous to include. No, I'm not the jack-ass that keeps on deleting. Djma12 22:20, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He guys. To be straightforward, I'm not aware of any Wikipedia policy against using what-if scenarios, especially when they're relevant to the context of the article. Just because we can't include every scenario doesn't mean we shouldn't include any. In this context, how can you possibly assert that the text isn't relevant? -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 23:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh there is no wiki policy against using what-if scenarios. The question is whether the statement contributes anything to the article. I know you seem to like this piece of trivia, but whether it contributes to the article is a consensus decision, not one of personal preference.

In my opinion, there is no need to lengthen a trivia section that already takes up one third of the entire article with historical what-ifs -- especially since the Super Bowl's long history has plenty of trivia about events that actually happened.

Then again, I don't claim to speak for the consensus opinion. The only real way to settle this is through a poll.Djma12 02:18, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll lay down my opinion on the matter: the information is interesting, and it's only one sentence, and makes very little difference in the length of the article. That being said, trivia sections aren't supposed to exist on Wikipedia, per the WP:AVTRIV guideline. That being said, it is only a guideline (guidelines are not requirements), and one that didn't pass by that much anyway. I find the trivia section to be interesting; but if anyone objects, we can remove the whole thing (though it's preferrable to integrate it). -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 00:21, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You know, there's enough Super Bowl trivia to make its own article. Why don't we just do that? It seem win-win to me. Djma12 00:28, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would whole-heartedly support it. But it'd have to be written in prose, not in list format. You'd have to be up to the task of writing it, then. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 04:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It really looks bad that in the trivia section and the never happened section the article has the same exact information and so close together. This is very noticable and it does not need to be repeated (the info about teams playing in their home stadium). If it appears in the never happened, it really doesn't need to appear in the trivia section too, because never happened is basically triva in its own right! 198.133.139.5

Trivia Section

Items listed referring to a SINGLE Super Bowl game should be transferred over to its own entry. However, items listing multiple Super Bowls should remain. If anything, some of the items should cover trends. KyuuA4 09:19, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some:

Trivia

In 1994, the 49ers became the first team to wear a throwback jersey during the Super Bowl. Since it was the league's 75th season, every team wore a throwback jersey during the season and San Francisco decided to continue to wear their jerseys all the way through the playoffs and into Super Bowl XXIX. The jerseys they wore paid tribute to the 1957 team.
In the months leading up to Super Bowl XXX (or Super Bowl Thirty), some Internet proxy servers were blocking the web site for the upcoming event. Many proxy servers' filters were configured to block the text string "XXX" whenever occurring to prevent access to pornography. As a result, additional settings were necessary to grant exceptions for other uses of "XXX".
In 1999, the St. Louis Rams were the first NFL team who plays their home games in a fully enclosed stadium, the TWA Dome (now called the Edward Jones Dome), to win the Super Bowl. No domed-stadium team has ever done it before, or since.
Super Bowl XXXIX was the first such game to be tied after three quarters of play.
Super Bowl Indicator, an indicator based on the belief that a Super Bowl win for a team from the old AFL (AFC division) foretells a decline in the stock market for the coming year, and that a win for a team from the old NFL (NFC division) means the stock market will be up for the year. This indicator has been surprisingly accurate (around 85% correct) over the past years.
Unlike other major sports events (World Series and Daytona 500 to name two), no sitting president has ever attended the Super Bowl. The closest came in Super Bowl XIX, when Ronald Reagan tossed the coin from the Oval Office of the White House. Two sitting vice-presidents have attended: George H.W. Bush went to Super Bowl XVI and Al Gore was at Super Bowl XXVII. Two former presidents have gone: Bush was at Super Bowl XXXVI (for the coin toss) and Super Bowl XXXIX with Bill Clinton (as part of a fundraising effort for victims of the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami).

A Question With An Answer That Should Go In Trivia

Has anyone played the Super Bowl in their own Stadium? (I'm hoping it'll happen this season.)

Looking through List of Super Bowl champions, that had never been the case. KyuuA4 18:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Trivia Policy

What's the policy for trivial information in Wiki articles? KyuuA4 18:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:TRIV John Reaves (talk) 03:38, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

More Trivia

The Dallas Cowboys and the Pittsburgh Steelers have played three times (in Super Bowl X, Super Bowl XIII, and Super Bowl XXX). No other teams have been paired three times.
Two-time pairings include (a) the Miami Dolphins and Washington Redskins (in Super Bowl VII and Super Bowl XVII), (b) the San Francisco 49ers and Cincinnati Bengals (in Super Bowl XVI and Super Bowl XXIII), and (c) the Dallas Cowboys and Buffalo Bills (in Super Bowl XXVII and Super Bowl XXVIII). The Cowboys/Bills games were the only back-to-back meetings between the same clubs.
The teams competing in the Super Bowl met in the regular season prior to Super Bowl XII, Super Bowl XV, Super Bowl XVI, Super Bowl XVIII, Super Bowl XX, Super Bowl XXI, Super Bowl XXV, Super Bowl XXVIII, Super Bowl XXIX, Super Bowl XXXIV, and Super Bowl XXXVI. The team that won the Super Bowl also won the regular season meeting five times. The loser of the regular season game won the rematch six times.
The Indianapolis Colts franchise is the only team to appear as both a "National" representative and as an "American" representative. The Baltimore Colts represented the NFL in Super Bowl III and the AFC in Super Bowl V. The Seattle Seahawks have reached the championship game of each conference. They won the 2006 NFC Championship Game but lost to the Los Angeles Raiders in the 1983 AFC Championship Game.
The earliest day on which a Super Bowl has been held is January 9th, the date on which Super Bowl XI was played in 1977.
Super Bowl XXXVI was originally scheduled to be played on January 27, 2002. But the game was moved back one week to February 3, 2002 because of the September 11, 2001 attacks. This was the first Super Bowl to be played in February. With the exception of Super Bowl XXXVII on January 26, 2003, all of the succeeding Super Bowls have been scheduled for February. Also, because of the attacks, the Super Bowl is now a National Special Security Event (NSSE).
The Pittsburgh Steelers were the first AFC team to ever win a Super Bowl (XL) that was broadcast on ABC The NFC is currently 6-1. Previously, the closest an AFC team had come to winning the Super Bowl on that network was when the Buffalo Bills lost to the New York Giants 20-19 in Super Bowl XXV.
The NFC won 13 Super Bowls in a row from 1985 to 1997, starting with Super Bowl XIX. The AFC broke the streak in 1998 in Super Bowl XXXII when Denver beat the defending champion Packers. Since then, AFC teams have posted a 7-2 record against NFC teams (through 2006).
The last Super Bowl to start at 3:30 p.m. Eastern Standard Time was Super Bowl XI which was played in Pasadena. This is also the last Super Bowl which was played outside to not end in dusk. Since the early 1980s Super Bowls have been starting at around 6 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. The kickoff has been since moved back to 6:30 p.m. Eastern starting with Super Bowl XXXVII.
Overall, eight teams have advanced to the Super Bowl after entering the playoffs as wild card teams. They include the the Dallas Cowboys in Super Bowl X, the Oakland Raiders in Super Bowl XV, the New England Patriots in Super Bowl XX, the Buffalo Bills in Super Bowl XXVII, the Denver Broncos in Super Bowl XXXII, the Tennessee Titans in Super Bowl XXXIV, the Baltimore Ravens in Super Bowl XXXV, and the Pittsburgh Steelers, the only sixth-seeded team to make it, in Super Bowl XL. Wild card teams are 4-4 in the Super Bowl, with the Raiders, Broncos, Ravens, and Steelers winning their respective games.
The Kansas City Chiefs, who qualified for and won Super Bowl IV, were the first non-division champion to qualify for the Super Bowl. Kansas City is not counted in the wild-card records, however, since they were not a wild-card team (the AFL in 1969 allowing the top two finishers in each division to qualify for its playoffs, whereas allowing wild-cards would have allowed the AFL West's third-place team to qualify instead of the AFL East's poorer second-place team). Counting Kansas City's Super Bowl IV victory, non-division champions are 5-4 in Super Bowl games.
The New England Patriots, who qualified for but lost Super Bowl XX, are the only third-place team to have ever qualifed for the Super Bowl. The Patriots tied the New York Jets for second place in the AFC East in 1985, but finished third place on a tiebreaker.
The Dallas Cowboys and the Miami Dolphins are the only teams to win a Super Bowl the year after they've lost. In 1972, Dallas defeated Miami in Super Bowl VI, 24-3 (after losing to Baltimore, 16-13, in 1971). The following year, Miami defeated Washington 14-7 in Super Bowl VII, capping off an undefeated 1972 season for the Dolphins, who went 17-0-0, including three post-season wins.
The Dallas Cowboys were also the first team to lose a Super Bowl after winning the previous year. In 1979, they lost to Pittsburgh after beating Denver the year before. Two other clubs have also lost the Super Bowl after winning the previous game: Washington defeated Miami in 1983, but lost to the Los Angeles Raiders in 1984, and Green Bay defeated New England in 1997, but lost to Denver in 1998.
Currently there is only one team to not score a touchdown in a Super Bowl. This happened in Super Bowl VI when the Dallas Cowboys beat the Miami Dolphins 24-3.
Five teams — the Miami Dolphins in Super Bowl VI, the Washington Redskins in Super Bowl VII, the Minnesota Vikings in Super Bowl IX, Cincinnati Bengals in Super Bowl XXIII and the New York Giants in Super Bowl XXXV — have failed to score an offensive touchdown. Miami scored only a field goal, Washington scored its only touchdown on a blocked field goal, Minnesota scored its only points (a touchdown) on a blocked punt, and Cincinnati and New York scored their only touchdown on a kickoff return.

Cartoon Network Parody

Does anyone remember the few years that Cartoon Network put on marathons featuring one character vs another? They had play-by-play recaps and montages... I think it was called The Big Game or something... I searched WP but failed in finding any mention of it, and googling doesn't bring that many results... I was wondering if anyone here could help me find material and decide what to do with it. Blueaster 02:45, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yep i remember that it was pretty cool think it was called the cartoon brawl or something like that but i doubt there is any information on it since it happened before wikipedia was created. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.85.43.78 (talk • contribs)

Shoes?

What's with the red shoes reflected in the Lombardi trophy? Is that the best anybody can do for a picture? Did Dorothy Gale take the photo? At least they don't "reflect up", and the picture taker apparently wasn't "dressed" the same way as that infamous eBay teapot pic... but the trophy certainly "reflects down". Wahkeenah 20:18, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I believe it is a red hat that the photographer was wearing. --tomf688 (talk - email) 21:47, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're right. If you flip the photo upside down, it turns the reflections right side up. It's several different reflected images of the photographer, a guy in a red baseball cap and a tan shirt, holding the camera up and looking through the viewfinder. It's still weird-looking, though. Wahkeenah 01:55, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you think the angle that the shot was taken is a problem, you can either find another free image or try to crop Commons:Image:Patriots Superbowl Trophies.jpg. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 02:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Super Bowl champions

I think the list of previous winners, losers, and game scores should be merged with the main article. A lot of people will come to the page looking for this information (at least I was). Maybe we could replace the useless "List of coin toss winners." 18.172.5.109 00:04, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This page is already 45kb - adding the list will add significant bloat to the article. PSUMark2006 talk | contribs 00:25, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I actually agree it could probably be in here somewhere, or the link should be more prominent (as in a see also link at the top of the page). Heck, we even have a list on this page of who won the coin toss in each Super Bowl. Patstuart^talk|edits 01:05, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All of it was moved to List of Super Bowl champions because the Super Bowl article is already long. I also agree that the "Super Bowl appearances" and "Super Bowl winners" tables should also be removed here because they are also on List of Super Bowl champions. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 20:35, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

National Holiday?

Super Bowl Sunday does not bear any resemblance to a US national holiday. National holidays are holidays from work, and even when a national holiday falls on a weekend, another day is usually granted off from work. Super Bowl Sunday may be an entertainment and television mega-blowout, but not a holiday. –Shoaler (talk) 10:36, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Calling it a "national holiday" is just one more element of the Super Hype surrounding this TV event. Wahkeenah 15:08, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- On the ESPN program The Sports Reporters this morning, host John Saunders twice referred to the Super Bowl as "our national holiday". Wahkeenah 15:23, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- And ESPN Sports Center host Bob Lee just called it "a secular holy day". Wahkeenah 15:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Have you ever been out in the world while the game is on? Streets and stores are quite empty (in the U.S. at least). Everybody asks if you're having or going to a Super Bowl party. People who don't even like football go to Super Bowl parties, not unlike all those unfamiliar faces in the pews on Christmas and Easter. It is a bigger "event" than most official U.S. Holidays. Presidents' Day party anyone? —Wrathchild ^(talk) 17:43, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

De Facto Holiday

This is really what the Super Bowl has become. A de facto holiday. Not an official holiday, but many Americans treat it as such. KyuuA4 19:38, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Venue problem

Would someone care to correct this bit from the Venue information. The counts for New Orleans and Greater Miami don't match the per-stadium counts for those cities.

Over half of the Super Bowls have been played in one of three cities: New Orleans, Louisiana (nine times, six times at the Louisiana Superdome and four times at now-demolished Tulane Stadium), the Greater Miami Area (nine total, five times at Miami's Orange Bowl and three times at Miami's Dolphin Stadium), ... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 199.246.40.54 (talk) 21:22, 7 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Counts can be verified from this table: List of Super Bowl champions. As a featured list, it should be accurate; and regarding venues, that can be counted. I'll do some checking on that in a bit. KyuuA4 21:06, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since the lead in sentence speaks of city/metro area, cutting out the stadium info. from the sentence. That data can be found on the venue table below it. Also, that table can be cleaned up a bit. KyuuA4 21:17, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Count check

New Orleans, Louisiana -- 9 times; 6 at the Superdome, 3 at Tulane
Greater Miami Area -- 9 times (Miami-S.Florida); 4 at Dolphin Stadium, 5 at the Orange Bowl

Checked the list. KyuuA4 21:13, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stadiums to host both a Super Bowl and a World Series

Does any mention of the World Series have any relevance to this article? KyuuA4 19:50, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling

A pet peeve of mine is the frequent misspelling of the name of this event as "Superbowl" by many fans. I've been wondering whether something belongs in this article, perhaps a footnote after the first reference to the name stating something like, "The name of this event is frequently misspelled as 'Superbowl.' The official name consists of two words." But I don't have a good citation to support it aside from the NFL's universal practice of using two words (except in the URL superbowl.com, of course). 1995hoo 15:12, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The NFL holds copyright to the term "Super bowl". As far as I know, it is two words. KyuuA4 16:03, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ironically enough, the copyright might explain why the single word version is also popular. In any case, it's not the wiki's job to say people are spelling something wrong. Jon 20:18, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Non occerences

In the non-ocerences section about home field advantage. I think a note for Pitrtsburgh should be added. Super bowl XL was in Jerome Bettis's home city and 99.9 percent of the fans there were Steeler fans. YOu could tell from theg terrible towels and from the statistics about the attendence. I fthat isnst home field advantage then i dont know what is.Mstare88 (talk) 15:50, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Home field is defined as a specific team within that team's city. It is not defined by the "composition" of the attendance. For example, the Steelers playing in Pittsburgh. Even for XL, Detroit is not Pittsburgh. KyuuA4 (talk) 23:32, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Table has ruined the format

I am confused, who has changed the format of the Super Bowl page? It has changed the format and placed all the lower placed items like references into the table. This is not the correct format.Ttrain88 (talk) 19:04, 14 December 2007 (UTC) Tom[reply]

Discussion for Merger with Super Bowl XLIX

Discuss. — MrDolomite • Talk 03:40, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do not merge ok to exist as future sporting event, will be refined over time. If deleted, it will just be recreated. — MrDolomite • Talk 03:40, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do not merge It will be re-created in the future, and I think the whole Kansas City host stadium situation is relevant enough to have as an article. conman33(. . .talk) 03:25, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Status quo. No need to merge, as the article has a fair amount of information (that could not otherwise be summarized into Super Bowl and is sourced (although it could be better cited). This topic could see more development soon. Super Bowl L has nothing yet, and should redirect rather than exist.—Twigboy (talk) 03:34, 15 January 2008 (UTC) Amended as alternate proposal below.[reply]

No Merge. Because a site is decided, it is justified in having its own article. As a future event, its expandability is inevitable. KyuuA4 (talk) 06:23, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blank page and redirect.. "In the wake of the defeat, and opposition by the Kansas City Chamber of Commerce and several civic and business groups, Hunt and the Chiefs announced on May 25, 2006 that they are withdrawing the request to host Super Bowl XLIX." Since there is no established site, then it cannot stand as an article for now. KyuuA4 (talk) 06:40, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Actually, a question. How does the fact that there is actual, citable activity to plan SB XLIX not qualify, but having an announced site would tip this in favor of an article? As a hypothetical, say the NFL announced that the Pro Bowl would be played in the city of SB XLIX the week prior to the game, wherever it may be. There is no information about the location, but there would be (again, hypothetically) sourced information about the event.—Twigboy (talk) 14:58, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alternate proposal. Rather than merge into Super Bowl, I am proposing an article that collects all the stubs into sections as either Future Super Bowl games or Super Bowl (future games). This is consistent with the redirect 2009 in film → Near future in film, as an article that would be revolving in the future and never seeing any completion. (A football-related example, which is not the best example in many ways, is the oddly capitalized Georgia Bulldogs football team (future Schedules) — although that just seems to be a list dumping ground.) Right now, there is an illogical gap of redirects between Super Bowl XLVI and XLVIII, then an article on XLIX and a redirect on L. These should all redirect to the proposed article, splitting off XLII into its own article, and splitting off XLIII around the time of the formal Countdown to Kickoff.—Twigboy (talk) 20:46, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Super Bowl as de Facto holiday

Here's a source item for that: http://archive.seacoastonline.com/1999news/2_1a.htm Google: Super Bowl tradition KyuuA4 (talk) 05:10, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Move of Super Bowl Breakfast item

As you can see, the Super Bowl Breakfast is now listed as a current event leading up to the game. The reason I had it as a former event is that the 2008 Super Bowl website did not list it in any form. I did remember the web address from a previous year, typed it up, and found that it still worked. - Desmond Hobson (talk) 18:14, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Adding to Stats

Should we add teams are 0-1 when scoring on Opening kickoff? the Bears are the only ones and they lost. 03:50, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Something that happened in only one Super Bowl game like that seems more trivial and not that particularly significant IMO. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 05:01, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removed Game History section

By the looks of it, yes. It is looking like a trivia section. If it cannot be improved, then it shouldn't be reincorporated back into the article. The Conference Dominance by Decade sub-section, that could be used here: List of Super Bowl champions. KyuuA4 (talk) 11:19, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly disagree with the move. The history section is not trivia. For some time, I have been meaning to improbve the history section, possibly make it similar to that of NBA Finals, using some of this (the trends and stats but not the charts, while describing the other aspects of the games. I do agree about putting the domination by decade into the list you stated above Frank Anchor, (R-OH) (talk, contribs) 22:00, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the trends section is fine as well as the non-occurrences. Conference domination by decade, though, is pushing it. Useight (talk) 01:54, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Game history

Trends and statistics

right|thumb|The first Super Bowl was played in 1967, as commemorated by this stamp issued in 1999 by the United States Postal Service featuring a ticket for that first game. The following trends occur regarding Super Bowl games:

Teams scoring first are currently 27-15 (.643); 14-7 (.667) with a touchdown, 12-8 (.600) with a field goal and 1-0 with a safety.
Teams scoring 30 or more points are currently 21-1 (.955), with only the 1978 Cowboys to score more than 30 and lose. Teams scoring fewer than 20 points are currently 5-32 (.135). More specifically, teams scoring 32 points or more are undefeated (18-0) and teams scoring fewer than 14 points are winless (0-17).
Field goals have been made in all but two Super Bowls.
Teams scoring the game's first touchdown are currently 30-12 (.714); teams scoring the game's first field goal, 22-18 (.550).
Teams leading at halftime are 32-8 (.800). Two Super Bowls have been tied at halftime.
Teams shutout in the first half are 0-11; teams shutout in the second half are 1-7 (.125).
Higher seeded teams are 13-12 (.520) and NFC teams are 6-2 (.750) in Super Bowls matching same-numbered seeds, which thus far have always been #1 vs. #1. Playoff seedings were first instituted in the 1975 season.
When the game matches two teams that played each other during the regular season, the team that lost the regular season meeting is 7-5 in the Super Bowl, including five out of the last six times this has happened.

Conference dominance by decade

Decade	Leader	Conference & years won	Winners by conference
1967-1976	AFL/AFC, 7-3	AFL/AFC: 1969-71 and 1973-76. NFL/NFC: 1967-68 and 1972.	AFC: N.Y. Jets, Kansas City, Baltimore, Miami (2) and Pittsburgh (2); NFC: Green Bay (2) and Dallas.
1977-1986	tied, 5-5	AFC: 1977, 1979-81, and 1984. NFC: 1978, 1982-83, and 1985-86.	AFC: Oakland/L.A. Raiders (3) and Pittsburgh (2); NFC: Dallas, San Francisco (2), Washington and Chicago.
1987-1996	NFC, 10-0	NFC: 1987-96.	NFC: San Francisco (3), Dallas (3), N.Y. Giants (2), and Washington (2).
1997-2006	AFC, 7-3	AFC: 1998-99, 2001-02, and 2004-06. NFC: 1997, 2000, and 2003.	AFC: Denver (2), Baltimore, New England (3) and Pittsburgh; NFC: Green Bay, St. Louis and Tampa Bay.
2007-2016	tied, 1-1	AFC: 2007. NFC: 2008.	AFC: Indianapolis; NFC: New York Giants

Notable stretches

1969-81: AFL/AFC, 11-2
1982-97: NFC, 15-1
1998-Present: AFC, 8-3

Longest winning streak

13: NFC, 1985-97 (AFC's longest is 5, 1973-77)

By regular decades (based on regular season year, not Super Bowl calendar year)

1960s (I-IV): tied, 2-2
1970s (V-XIV): AFC, 8-2
1980s (XV-XXIV): NFC, 8-2
1990s (XXV-XXXIV): NFC, 8-2
2000s (XXXV-XLII): AFC, 6-2

Non-occurrences

In the history of the Super Bowl, the following "firsts" have yet to occur:

Snowy weather. - While Super Bowl XLI was the first to feature rain, snow has yet to fall during the game. This is highly unlikely (barring a freak occurrence in Arizona, Florida, Southern California, or Texas, and/or a malfunctioning retractable roof) since the NFL only schedules the game in warm weather climates and/or indoor stadiums.
An all-wild card matchup (teams who failed to win their divisions). - Nine wild card teams (since the 1970 merger) have won conference titles, but never two in the same season.
A shutout. - Every Super Bowl participant to date has scored. In three cases the offenses have been shut out while the special teams scored a single touchdown:
- Super Bowl VI: The Miami Dolphins finished with 3 points, the fewest in a Super Bowl to date (and the only losing team to date to fail to score a touchdown).
- Super Bowl VII: The Washington Redskins returned a fumble for a touchdown after blocking a field goal attempt.
- Super Bowl IX: The Minnesota Vikings recovered a blocked punt in the end zone but missed the extra point.
- Super Bowl XXXV: The New York Giants scored a 97-yard kickoff return.
A punt return touchdown. - While many kickoffs have been returned for a touchdown, a punt has yet to be returned for one.
Home field advantage (playing in one's own home stadium). - The closest instances to this have been Super Bowls XI (featuring the Raiders playing down the coast) and XIV (featuring the Rams from nearby Los Angeles) both being played at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena; XIX (featuring the 49ers from nearby San Francisco) being played at Stanford Stadium which is about 25 miles south of the 49ers' home stadium, Candlestick Park; and XXXVII (featuring the Raiders again playing downcoast) being played in San Diego.
Two teams from the same metropolitan area: one city currently has two franchises: New York City has the Giants and the Jets. (In the past Los Angeles was home to the Raiders and the Rams, but both teams left town in 1996.) Also two pairs of teams share a common metropolitan area, although they are based in different cities: the Baltimore Ravens and the Washington Redskins; as well as the San Francisco 49ers and Oakland Raiders. Every team mentioned above has won a Super Bowl, but never against its neighbor.
Overtime. - The narrowest margin of victory in a Super Bowl is one point, in Super Bowl XXV (1991). The closest instances to overtime, in which the result of the last play of the game could have realistically led to a tie and thus an overtime, have been:
- Super Bowl V: Baltimore's Jim O'Brien kicked a game-winning field goal with :05 left.
- Super Bowl XXXIV: Tennessee's Kevin Dyson was stopped one yard short of a tying touchdown.
- Super Bowl XXXVI: New England's Adam Vinatieri kicked a game-winning field goal as time expired.
- Super Bowl XXXVIII: New England's Adam Vinatieri kicked another game-winning field goal with :04 left.
An appearance by every team. - Six teams have yet to reach their first Super Bowl: Arizona, Cleveland, Detroit, Houston, Jacksonville, and New Orleans.
A team winning without a touchdown. - Every Super Bowl champion to date has scored at least one touchdown in their efforts (New York Jets scored only one touchdown in their Super Bowl III triumph).
No touchdowns scored. - In every Super Bowl to date, there have been at least two touchdowns scored (Fewest combined - 2, in Super Bowl III).

tidbit

45 percent of americans don't watch the Super Bowl each year (and thus don't celebrate it) and the vast VAST majority of people in Europe,Australia,New Zealand,China,Thailand,Russia,Israel,Lebanon,Iran,Georgia (the country), South Africa, Kenya, etc don't watch the Super Bowl each year and don't have any events related to it. I think that would be an interesting tidbit for the article. And none of my great grandparents or great great grandparents or my Uncle Stephen ever watched a Super Bowl because they died before the Super Bowl was played — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2:2380:27E:25A2:1162:78A7:34DA (talk) 03:34, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Table of TV ratings

An editor has recently started to add a list of Super Bowl TV ratings. Like previous consensus regarding the several tables listing all 50 individual Super Bowl, this should eventually be split into a separate article like all the other pages in Category:Super Bowl lists. Or this could also possibly be included on List of Super Bowl broadcasters. Zzyzx11 (talk) 16:22, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think that creating an entirely separate article for the entire section of "Television coverage and ratings" would be a good idea. Obviously the table will be complete eventually, but it does take time to do a 50+ column table. Perhaps we could create an article called Super Bowl on TV and combine all these lists together in multiple sections. One for ratings, one for broadcasting (including the Super Bowl on TV section table), and one for lead-out programs. Heartfox (talk) 18:21, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Concur with Heartfox that a split to a standalone for Super Bowl on TV is in order. The main Super Bowl article should deal more with the game itself, lending the TV aspect to be summarized and split.—Bagumba (talk) 05:24, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Split made. The last thing the main Super Bowl article needs is a litter of tables. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 07:05, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

Super Bowl titles and appearances table

Is there an actual need for the footnote "Have not yet played in a Super Bowl" that is appended to all of the "0 appearances" teams? Isn't that already covered by the 0 itself?--Khajidha (talk) 15:27, 8 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There is an error in the 1980s and 1990s page

Chicago bears record under mike ditka 18-1 record is wrong Necause of the fact that the NFL OLNY had 16 GAMES in a SEASON , Please Fix it Vidmastr901 (talk) 03:08, 23 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Bears were 15-1 in the regular season and went on to win the next two playoff games and the Super Bowl. That would be 18-1.

Here's their season: 1985 Chicago Bears

09/08/1985 Tampa Bay Buccanneers at Chicago Bears 28-38 W 09/15/1985 New England Patriots at Chicago Bears 7-20 W 09/19/1985 Chicago Bears at Minnesota Vikings 33-24 W 09/29/1985 Washington Redskins at Chicago Bears 10-45 W 10/06/1985 Chicago Bears at Tampa Bay Buccanneers 27-19 W 10/13/1985 Chicago Bears at San Francisco 49ers 26-10 W 10/21/1985 Green Bay Packers at Chicago Bears 7-23 W 10/27/1985 Minnesota Vikings at Chicago Bears 9-27 W 11/03/1985 Chicago Bears at Green Bay Packers 16-10 W 11/10/1985 Detroit Lions at Chicago Bears 3-24 W 11/17/1985 Chicago Bears at Dallas Cowboys 44- 0 W 11/24/1985 Atlanta Falcons at Chicago Bears 0-36 W 12/02/1985 Chicago Bears at Miami Dolphins 24-38 L 12/08/1985 Indianapolis Colts at Chicago Bears 10-17 W 12/14/1985 Chicago Bears at New York Jets 19- 6 W 12/22/1985 Chicago Bears at Detroit Lions 37-17 W

POST SEASON: Divisional Playoffs 01/05/1986 New York Giants at Chicago Bears 0-21 W

POST SEASON: Conference Championship 01/12/1986 Los Angeles Rams at Chicago Bears 0-24 W

POST SEASON: Superbowl XX Louisiana Superdome, New Orleans, LA 01/26/1986 New England Patriots vs Chicago Bears 10-46 W

15-1-0 (0.938) Points earned: 547 Points given : 208

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Often times, playoff games are included in statistical records. 50.254.127.65 (talk) 03:28, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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There is a grammatical error in the sentence "The game culminates a season that begins in the late summer of the previous calendar year." The word culminates should not be used in reference to game, but used to season. "This game is the culmination of a season that began in the late summer of the previous year." Thanks 144.118.77.92 (talk) 18:18, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:34, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, The second sentence says that the Super Bowl "involves the New England Patriots playing a rival NFC team every year." This is clearly someone trolling the page, so could you please remove it? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.114.208.95 (talk) 03:26, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

71.75.131.25 (talk) 22:03, 9 February 2016 (UTC) Hello! I would just like someone else to edit and put in the winner of Superbowl 50. (Denver Broncos) No I am not a fan of them, in fact i am a Carolina Panthers fan, but I do want people to see who has won the super bowl. This may already be in the article, but if it isn't, please add it. Thanks! Bye :)[reply]

Not done: Score is in the top right infobox, so I think we are good. Thanks! --allthefoxes ^(Talk) 22:18, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Andywith6toes12 (talk) 04:07, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I just want to make an edit dont worry im not going to do anything bad i just want to put down that " another reason why the super bowl is famous is for its funny commericals "

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Change "The Super Bowl is the annual championship game of the National Football League (NFL)." to "The Superbowl is the annual championship game of the National Football League in which a team from the NFC competes against the New England Patriots."

This change provides more context and is historically accurate, as seen by these following sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Super_Bowl_champions https://www.pro-football-reference.com/super-bowl/ http://www.espn.com/nfl/superbowl/history/winners EliteGummybear (talk) 01:26, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: joke edit, wikipedia isn't a reliable source, the sources provided don't support this, etc etc -- DannyS712 (talk) 01:41, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Andywith6toes12 (talk) 20:44, 26 January 2019 (UTC)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8E1g-cHV5M[reply]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf9k3Xb5x6Y

see right here. these are funny super bowl commericals

I don't doubt it, but links to random commercials aren't getting added to this article. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 23:08, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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the broncos will win — Preceding unsigned comment added by Himydudes (talk • contribs) 19:40, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Change:

The Super Bowl is the annual championship game of the National Football League (NFL) where the champion of the NFC competes against the New England Patriots.

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The Super Bowl is the annual championship game of the National Football League (NFL) where the champion of the NFC competes against the AFC champion. Ciaraboyce (talk) 16:31, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Another editor already fixed this. RudolfRed (talk) 17:12, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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First Sunday in February.

The article mentions that the Super Bowl has been on the first Sunday in February since 2004.

Super Bowl LVI will be on February 13, 2022 -- the second Sunday in February, so that should probably be updated. And perhaps an explanation for why 2022 is an exception should be provided either here or on the article for Super Bowl LVI . Billiam1185 (talk) 04:47, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Starting time

Greetings, all. Should we have the game's starting time in the article, next to the date? -The Gnome (talk) 13:01, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Date

The date section starts by explaining the current scheduling system, then uses the 2015 season to illustrate how this affects the date of the Super Bowl, then says that the 2022 Super Bowl was the first to use this system. There's an obvious flaw there. I assume the 2015 illustration dates to before the current 18 week season was instituted. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 13:45, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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2600:1700:88F1:A820:24AC:104:CF1F:8C10 (talk) 07:02, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Caroline panthers have never won super bowl eithr

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. A dozen different teams have never won a super bowl. ––FormalDude (talk) 07:28, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Add list

Can a list be made for every super bowl played in a list template? A thought to make it easier to navigate. Cwater1 (talk) 15:20, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This already exists. There is a link in multiple places on this page that takes you to the List of Super Bowl Champions page. Derknasnort (talk) 18:02, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh. Sorry, didn't notice. Thank you! Cwater1 (talk) 18:08, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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