Talk:Structure of the Italian Navy

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Since we already had a little chat on the dicusssion page of the Air Force I've thought I should add a little comment here as well, because once again I got surprised a little bit, even though I'm not absolutely sure about it. But first of all chapeau for this article and thank you for all the effort behind it. My surprise refers to the chapter or section Structure_of_the_Italian_Navy#Naval_Aviation_Training_Centre, in Italian Centro di Addestramento Aeronavale or MARICENTADD. In my opinion there is a misinterpretation of the Italian term aeronavale; in my opinion, in this particular case, it means both naval (the surface fleet) and the airborne operations related to it; in other words a fleet training center, that does not just deal with surface operations, but trains in a 3dimensional spectrum, being these surface warfare, antisubmarine warfare (the submariners have their own school), and the naval air operations. But naval aviators are not really trained, at least not primarily, at MARICENTADD, but in the US and in Catania (above all), Luni (where they have a helo dunker), and to a lesser extent at Grottaglie. Rather, at MARICENTADD, officers, NCOs and sailors are trained to fight not only against other ships and submarines, but also against enemy air attacks, or how to best cooperate with own air assets. This is, in my opinion, the true meaning of aeronavale in this case. Basically MARICENTADD should be nothing else than a fleet training center, where, in order to avoid misunderstandings, the term aeronavale should be somewhat ignored. Even though the Italian wp edition is not always the best choice, I think their explanation in their article it:CINCNAV#MARICENTADD is appropriate: Il "Centro addestramento aeronavale della Marina Militare" è stato costituito il 1º luglio 1972, quando vennero soppressi i vari centri di addestramento specifico costituiti dopo la seconda guerra mondiale e venne creato un unico centro di addestramento i cui compiti sono l'addestramento individuale specialistico degli Ufficiali e Sottufficiali delle componenti navali e l'addestramento degli equipaggi delle unità navali e degli aeromobili. As far as the aeromobili are concerned, I guess it's not about how to fly them, but rather about tactics, and how to best cooperate with the rest of the naval forces. The homepage of MARICENTADD, even though not being superclear regarding this "interpretation issue", indicates, that it's not really a "Naval Aviation Training Center". As for the rest, congratulations, and all the best for you. --LKIT2 (talk) 23:40, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you :-) for the compliments. I dug into the site of the Marina and found this in the English description of the Petty Officer School: "Also located in San Vito is the Air Naval Training Centre (MARICENTADD), the cradle of the Navy's crews which, by means of high standard training systems, provides also to the training of Mariscuola Taranto's students belonging to the 'operations personnel' categories/specialties." Not the best English, but I will use the title and rewrite the intro to this section. Cheers, noclador (talk) 06:00, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

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Hi all. I moved some of the text to group it into a table for Fleet Command as that is where the units reside. Should make much easier reading. The table needs to be replicated to the CINCNAV page to keep the 2 in sync Gbawden (talk) 16:17, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

The table you added is from sometime in 2016. None of the commanders listed are at their posts anymore. Also ships have been retired and commissioned. And this article was created so that the other articles of subordinate commands of the Italian Navy all point to this for information about the structure, so that in the future only this one needs to be updated and not 10-15 articles that are mostly orphaned. noclador (talk) 18:43, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Fair enough. I suggest though that you move the 3 star commands (schools, log and fleet commands) up a level so they have their own section instead of being buried under CNAVY. Makes it easier to understand. Gbawden (talk) 06:57, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

MARISTAT, CINCNAV, COMSUBIN, MARICOMLOG, MARIDROGRAFICO, and MARICOMSCUOLE (+ in wartime also MARICOGECAP) are the six commands under the Capo di stato maggiore, therefore I gave them all a heading under the Capo di Stato maggiore. Putting them one level up would make it seem they are his 4-star equals, when in fact they are not. I used the same heading system on other articles of this series i.e. Structure of the Italian Air Force, Structure of the Spanish Army, or Structure of the Swiss Armed Forces. If there is another way to present the hierarchy of commands I am open to change the heading. How would you proceed? noclador (talk) 09:11, 29 September 2020 (UTC)