Talk:Steve Wozniak/Archive 1

Not copyrighted

• removing 'pending deletion' warning on Woz image.

Image appears to be from http://www.woz.org/art/index.html which does say "All these photos are free to use, just try to credit the photographer whenever possible or appropriate.". Exact photo appears to be http://www.woz.org/woz/art/images/PIC00003.jpg Megapixie 00:19, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I confirm this -- suggest that the phrase "courtesy woz.org" be added next to image on main page and the 'suggested for deletion' phrase be removed. Jkp1187 14:13, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Time and again some portions of my articles have been removed as "copyrighted"!!! Please do not do that again: I indeed pasted it ready-made; however, I pasted it from my own article (http://www.supermemo.com/articles/genius.htm#Steve%20Wozniak). Please feel free to expand upon this text, but I would appreciate if you would leave this note intact. One reason is that I would not like anyone ever think that I steal material from Wikipedia to write my own articles! I just thought this would be a nice contribution. -- Piotr Wozniak

Piotr, I have to ask -- any relation to the Woz?

Also, you wrote that Woz is "universally credited with initiating the entry of computers into private homes." Really? Shouldn't that place in history be shared with his business partner, Steve Jobs?

<>< Tim Chambers

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Relative timing

I also wonder about the relative timing and influence of Apple II vs. Altair; Commodore PET; Tandy; Heathkit; Atari 400/800; TI99; Sinclare; ... How was Woz's contribution unique compared to these others? Where was he first, and where did it matter? The fact that he was a garage hardware hacker is the most unique quality I can see, and the last unique contribution Apple attempted to make was Steve Jobs putting Multitasking and GUI features (Taken from PARC) in the Lisa. The MAC was a lame compromise.

--Jonathan--

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I can share a little of my experience at the time: a few hobbyist-geeks (like me) had CP/M machines at home before the Apple II came out, and the TRS/80 and Commodore PET came out first, but it really was the Apple II that made the term "home computer" meaningful. I agree with Tim, though, that this was due no less to Jobs' marketing than Wozniak's technical genius, though some of that marketing involved selling Wozniak's personality. On the other hand, the Apple II was a technical marvel for being able to pack as much functionality as it had into a small single circuitboard with cheap parts, making it affordable for ordinary folks; Wozniak certainly deserves credit for that as well (the video system in particular was pure genius). Before the Apple II, the guy on your block with a computer was like that guy on your block with a ham radio--something of an oddity. It wasn't until Apple IIs invaded homes and schools everywhere that people started sharing programs and data, and that's when the personal computer era really took off. Users of other computers had to form their own user groups to share things, and had some moderate following, but Apple was kind of the "default" PC of the time (until the IBM PC took over). --LDC

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1. Naturally, Steve Wozniak (tech-brain) and Steve Jobs (market wiz) were two vital organs of the same organism that would not walk when incomplete. If the text leaves this in doubt, please edit the place where it arises
2. My understanding is that Apple I was a quantum leap over Altair, and all models and brands that followed were inevitably relegated to become footnotes to history. Quantification is impossible but if all designs were to be deleted from history, probably Apple would leave the greatest footmark on the future
3. Name Wozniak is as popular in Poland as Smith in the US :)

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"Affordability" is a key factor. As important a contribution as the technical features. That's why, in the long run, Macintosh was so much more important than Lisa (or Star). Re the success of the original Apple (II), I believe that the early availability of an affordable floppy disk drive (thanks again to Woz's genius) was the most important factor. - HWR

• • You are right with affordability. However, it resulted from Woz'es ability to put three chips where others would put four. Hence I consider his technical expertise as the root of Apple's success -- Piotr Wozniak

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Hagiography

Wow! Quite the hagiography. -- The Cunctator

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Affordability

If affordability was the key the Commodore Vic20/64 and Sinclare really did the most for creating the HOME computer, and were at least as important as the Apple II (the Apple 1 was just a hobbiest machine like the Heathkit). The floppy drive was good, but at $600 hardly affordable. Jobs did a really good job of marketing to schools displacing the TRS/80 machines which were their first. In 1982 the Apple II was still quite expensive compared to the C64 with less memory and inferior graphics and sound. The Atari 800 was also a pretty strong machine at the time, and probably was the first HOME computer with good multi-media capabilities. None of this discounts Woz, but I object to saying that he created the PC. The technology in the Lisa, marketing to education, and the expansion slots in the Apple II were probably Apples biggest innovations.

--Jonathan--

I have to disagree. I was there (at least in the US market--I understand the UK market of the time was very different). The Commodore machines and the Sinclair never really mattered. Sure, they were cheap, and had somthing of a cult following, but the numbers never got anywhere close to those of the Apple II. The Sinclair machine was hopelessly underpowered and not well-supported, so it flopped completely in the US (it had some success in the UK). The Commodore machines (PET/VIC-20/C-64) fared somewhat better, but they shot themselves in the foot by not being compatible with each other, not being upgradeable, not supporting third-part software well, etc. I think their market share may have gone as high as 15%, but they were never really a factor. The one that came closest to Apple II's dominance was the Radio Shack TRS-80, pushed by the power of Tandy corp and using then-standard CP/M. Their techonolgy fell behind though (most notably lack of color), so they faded away.

I wouldn't say "Woz created the PC" either, but I would definitely say that the Apple II was the PC that put the term "PC" in the mouths of the American public, and Woz's innovations (its video system, its floppy system, its expansion slot system, and others) helped significantly (as did Jobs' marketing). --LDC

VIC-20 was first computer to reach 1M sales, not Apple II (in 1983, Wikipedia). The lead up: 600,000 to 800,000 units (depending on Ars Technica or Wikipedia) in 1982, compared to 700,000 units for the Apple II (Ars Technica). Granted, the UK market was hot for Commodore, but from my perspective at the time as a C64 owner and BBS frequenter, the US community was thriving. The pricing of the VIC-20 and C64 was generally a third of the competition and ultimately contributed to the video game market crash in '83/'84. The C64 is the single best-selling personal computer of all time (Wikipedia). If the contention is around Commodore's influence in the creation of the home computer market, I think it's safe to say that the PET, the VIC-20, and the C64 contributed greatly rather than they "never really mattered". One might refer to the period from '77 to '82, but even through '79 Apple II sales were a "distant third" to the other two of the holy trinity (Ars Technica). Check out the graph: http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/total-share.ars/3. Only in '81 did Apple experience a serious boom, and that was trumped in the following year by the VIC-20. —63.249.64.32 21:06, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

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I challenge the assertion that the C64 was the single best-selling PC of all time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.77.67 (talk) 20:57, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Numbers, please

I could be wrong, but my perception was that in the USA of the machines being sold IN 1983 that Commordore was a MUCH larger market share than 15% (more like 30% vs. 35% for Apple). Futhermore, Europe was even more strongly in the Commodore camp. Real numbers would be a really interesting addition to this article.  :-)

Ars Technica reports that in 1982 the VIC-20 sold 600,000 units. And the C-64 2,000,000 in 1983. Bagnall's book On The Edge says Apple sold 700,000 computers by late 1982, but quotes Commodore engineer Yannes as claiming, "The VIC-20 was the first computer to sell more than a million units," months before Apple did so, despite the Apple II's lead time.

The VIC-20 Wikipedia article says that the VIC-20 was the best selling computer of 1982 and echoes the historic computer megasales assertion.

Still, high props to the Woz.

—63.249.64.32 19:58, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

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Apple II was a business machine

In the US, he Atari 400/800, Commodore 64, Sinclair, etc. were strictly consumer machines, not taken seriously by businesses. The Apple II sold to businesses as well as prosumers and hobbyists, which is why it was important; its success got the attention of Xerox, DEC, IBM. In addition, the Apple II was already well-established by the time these machines appeared. 1983? By that time the revolution was over!

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And not long after that the machines became self-aware and SkyNet took over. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.77.67 (talk) 21:00, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

That's a load of malarchy. The Commodore PET computer, which came out slightly before the Apple II, was also a business computer and "taken seriously" or whatever you are trying to say. The Apple II, however, was designed by Wozniak so he could play fun games on it. That's what he writes in his biography. He specifically wanted it to play Breakout. This is not as clear cut as you make it out to be. JettaMann (talk) 16:41, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Good luck

Good ideas, good marketing, good vision and most of all truck loads of sheer good luck got the Apple crew out in front. Let it also be said good luck is only available to those people who put themselves in the right place at the right time. From memory I believe the brief history of PC's goes something like this :-

Doug Englebart :- gets it right the first time with his demo, back in the 60's of a PC featuring two networked computers offering a mouse, a video link, a full graphical operating system and colour monitor. Who invented the first PC? Doug did. Note well, it was some of Doug's crew on this project who went onto develop the STAR, the PC that haunts Xerox to this day.

Commodore Business Machines :- releases the PET. Very novel, very cheap and like a lot of home computers for a long time, completely under-estimated the home and business market. Certainly a good step forward though.

Apple :- sell a PC in bits over the counter. Good idea, no! Bloody genius idea! They get a huge name through their marketing, get some dollars from Mike and make the Apple ][.

Everyone else :- release good attempts that fall short of mediocracy at best.

IBM :- panic when they see the Apple ][ and then make Bill Gates into a billionaire. Nice one IBM.

Commodore Business Machines :- note the name, Business Machines, sell another toy, the VIC-20. Nice toy though. (My first PC at age 12, 1982). Commodore never did catch on to the fact that they needed to build one PC that did mostly everything for kids and adults alike.

Apple :- get a look at Doug Englebarts dream come true, the STAR, use his ideas and cement a place in the market place and history forever.

IBM :- who ???

Microsoft :- markets Windows and beats the crap out of every computer manufacturer and software writer in the world. Windows being the graphical overlay for PC-DOS and MS-DOS.

Commodore :- sell the 64 then he Amiga and then finally diappear. Mind you they are the last to fall, long after Spectrum, Apricot, Tandy, Texas Instruments, Microbee, and the list goes on.

Apple and Microsoft :- Woz quits and has a much better time of things in the garage. Jobs gets the sack and buys a small company called PIXAR. Makes Toy Story and gets rich again. Apple falls on its head without Jobs and begs him to come back. Jobs returns, Bill the Billionaire buys a huge chunk of Apple and thats what we've got, the Bill and Steve show.

Linux :- creeping up slowly ...

Bruce C.

Microsoft never owned that much of Apple, their special shares were non-voting initially, and when their investment did convert to voting shares, Microsoft sold them shortly thereafter (at a nice profit, of course). Today, Microsoft does own a smidgen of Apple through investments in a technology fund, but Apple has a much bigger investment in the same fund (and thus in itself) than Microsoft does. Jerry Kindall 05:39, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

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Still an employee

I'd like to bring in to questions the last paragraph, where it states Woz permanently left Apple. AFAIK he still recieves a paycheque from Apple, at least as of 2001 (ref: http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2001/06/22/woz/ ).

-66.88.6.151

It doesn't change the fact that he left Apple and doesn't work there anymore. The check he receives is probably more of a courtesy than a real check for any current work. From the article you cite:

He still receives a nominal paycheck from Apple and also gets the latest hardware. He says that he wants to be an Apple employee his whole life. However, he travels and speaks on his own nickel, and he can say anything he wants to about Apple.

I think the keyword there is "nominal." I'm sure it pales in comparisons to the million$ he has stashed away. If you like, you can mention that he still gets a paycheck from Apple.

Hmm, allowing someone to tell the truth from a cited source. That's mighty white of you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.77.67 (talk) 21:05, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

//He mentions in his book, iWoz, that one of the misconceptions he does not like is that people think he left Apple. He clearly states that he is still an Apple employee and never left the company, persay.

iWoz, Chapter 20, Page 288 "To this day, I'm an Apple employee--I still have my Apple Employee ID card--and I receive a very low salary. And I continue to represent Apple at events and at speeches."

Setec 07:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)//

Picture

Can we possibly get a picture of Steve Wozniak? I think it would add to the article significantly. Thanks. --Randy 12:31, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Pictures, of course, enhance any article. The problem that Wikipedia faces is obtaining public domain or GFDL images. We can't just use any-old images we find on the Internet. But the Woz is a pretty approachable guy. If you can email him via his website, you can ask him for a GFDL or PD image. He might just give you one. Then you can add it to the article. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:38, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)

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POV

To 128.187.232.180 who placed the neutrality notice on the page: what's up? Please explain why you think the page is POV here. Until then, I'm removing the message. — Frecklefoot | Talk 08:56, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)

Though I didn't post the notice, I think that referring to Steve Wozniak as Woz throughout the article seems like unfair treatment. Probably a sentence explaining that he goes by Woz would be sufficient to keep it neutral. As is, it seems too familiar - as if it were written by a buddy of Woz or something.

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Thanks to whomever removed Woz. The article was unreadable before. The article still reads like a loving tribute, though. While I admire the man, I shouldn't be able to tell how the author feels about him. 72.195.189.98 (talk) 16:48, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Avoid hagiography, but Wozniak-article spirit needed in Steve-Jobs article

Mr. Wozniak comes across as a human being in this article, which is good. He seems an idealistic person, certainly one motivated by a vision which he has made practical. I'm aware that such people exist- many of them, in fact.

I've tried to encourage a larger human dimension in the Steve Jobs article. According to people like Theodore Roszak, that is warranted with Mr. Jobs (in light of his early idealism). However, in the Jobs article, there is little sense if any about a) what motivates him; b) what he may wish or have wished to give to the human race; c) how his childhood and adolescent experiences may have prepared him for his later work in invention, in the computer field, etc.; how he thinks about the impact of his work (other thanmaybe market share).

The human dimension is not present enough in that article, and I miss it. By the way, I know next to nothing about Steve Jobs, so I'm not really the person to add the missing elements to the article.

I post this opinion here because when I posted in the S. Jobs discussion, my comment got little response in terms of action or serious comment.

Worst,

J.R.

You'll surely want to address Mr. Jobs' extensive use of LSD. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.77.67 (talk) 21:07, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Inconsistency in a decline for Apple

In this paragraph:

"He asked his wife if he had been involved in an accident of some kind. When she told him of the event, his short-term memory was restored. Wozniak also credits computer games for aiding him in restoring those "lost" memories.

Woz became burned out at Apple. He got married and returned..."

I am confused about the wife stuff. How could he have asked his wife something if he hasn't married her yet?

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Just wanted to add that the wife thing is confusing me too.

I see you've changed the part about asking his wife about the crash, so now they're married after the crash. Thats fine, so Clark is Wife number 1. Later you say they divorce and he meets Suzanne and marries her in 1990 (number 2?).

Then in the Post-Apple career he joins the Freemasons as "his second wife, Candi" was a member of Order of...

Apart from that its a good read. Thanks --TStarborg 15:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Mother?

6th grader needs answers- i am currently doing a 6th grade project and need to know who Steve Woniaks mother happens to be considering every site i have gone to hasnt named her thank you

Try asking at the Wikipedia:Reference desk. Also, try using punctuation. :-S — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:59, May 4, 2005 (UTC)

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Failure

I see the Failure magazine interview link was removed. Why? I didn't add the link in the first place, but I followed the link and found it to be a pretty good article. I wouldn't consider it spam, unless the interview was completely made up (which it doesn't appear to be). If no one objects, I'm going to add it back in. If you object, please state here why. — Frecklefoot | Talk 22:05, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC) ---

Error on the getting degrees?

I came across the Slashdot post about Steve Job/Stanford commencement story. Anyways one of the posts, brought the attention that Wozniak got his degrees in computer science and electrical engineering on 1987. The source? Well, it is the official Steve Wozniak website. [1] According to that page, 1987 BS EECS U.C. Berkeley. Right now, Wikipedia is saying 1983. --Chill Pill Bill 05:54, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Be bold and change it. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:52, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

Some web sites say 1987; some say 1986 (e.g. [2])

--- This bio says he graduated in 1987, then later it says he graduated in 1983. And the part about crashing, then talking to his wife, then getting married doesn't make any sense.

Wozniak responsible for Apple's success?

It seems that Jobs wasn't responbile for the genius hardware design of some of their first projects, however, it seems Jobs has been credited for most of Apple's success. Is it fair to say that the company wouldn't have been nearly as successful had Woz quit a year or so in?

- windwaker

Well, that would all be POV—there's no way to prove it one way or the other. But my opinion is that they were both responsible for it's success. Woz designed an approachable and worthwhile computer, and Jobs marketed the sucker. Woz would've been lost without Jobs (he might've had a computer, but no one to sell it to), and Jobs wouldn't have had anything to sell w/o Woz. — Frecklefoot | Talk 00:39, September 11, 2005 (UTC)

Wozniak was the reason Apple had something to sell in the first place. Other computers of the time used teletypes for input and output. Here was a computer that came with its own keyboard and could be hooked up to a TV. On top of that, it had color graphics and sound and built-in BASIC and assembler! AND you could get one fully assembled for the same price as a lot of kits! All of that was due to Woz's realization that software (i.e. ROM) was cheaper than specialized hardware and his resultant focus on wringing the most functionality from the minimum number of chips. Eventually this balance changed; a lot of hardware that Woz had to design from scratch (using multiple chips) are now commodity parts and very cheap. But in the beginning it was a very important factor in Apple's success: their machine was far better than anyone else's, and this was due solely to Wozniak. Jerry Kindall 05:36, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Anti-Corporate? In What World?

Wozniak and Jobs were proud to have originated an anti-corporate ethic among big players in the computer market.

What is this supposed to mean? Apple is certainly a highly corporate company, and Jobs isn't in any large way different in his approach to business than any others at his level in the technology field.

MSTCrow 22:48, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I think they are "anti-corporate" in that they introduced the relaxed, casual atmosphere in a hi-tech company (Jobs often came to work in cut-offs and walked barefoot around the office, even after Apple was a huge company). That atmosphere was revolutionary in a hi-tech environment that was, at that time, dominated by white shirts and ties. It could be explained better in the article, though. — Frecklefoot | Talk 05:26, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree it's a very silly statement. Mirror Vax 01:56, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Apple's casual corporate culture was pretty influential, and deserves some mention, but doesn't really belong here. I added a section on it to the Apple Computer article. Jerry Kindall 06:54, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Comment by Wozniak, apparently

I took this out of the main article:

On the This Week In Tech podcast, episode 35, Wozniak proclaimed that the Wikipedia article on him contained misinformation.

Without some sort of specifics, I really don't see the point in including it in the main article - there's just no substance to this. And unless it were to blow into some sort of Siegenthaler-style tempest in a teapot it's a point of absolute trivia. Bryan 19:33, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

"No, none of them are all right, I never make changes, it would take too much time."[3] He knows who we are, what we are (although I assume he thinks there's multiples of us), but has not actually reviewed the content. He's the only person on People who have been quoted as having not used Wikipedia. -- Zanimum 01:38, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

related links

I see some garbage next to the last link cited, and think it refers to a page on another language's wikipedia, but can't really decide wether to take it out or not. Please fix this or point me to reference in order to fix it myself. thanks! makeyourself 23:45, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I saw him buying Donuts in Cupertino, CA last weekend

I thought I'd just share that...;-)--67.17.144.2 23:50, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

And I saw him at the 7-Eleven on the corner of LG Blvd & Shannon a few times and at the Pedro's on Santa Cruz Ave. But this page is really for discussing the article itself. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:16, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

University history

According to Wozniak's speech about his life, I recall he attended University of Colorado but then later transferred to the University of California at Berkeley. He then, (correctly stated in the article) dropped out but later returned to complete his degree. Is there evidence to support he actually dropped out from the University of Colorado because I heard different. 203.218.216.179 02:17, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

He claims in his biography (iWoz) that he did not drop out of college, but deferred it for a year so that he could earn enough money to pay for his tuition. Then his dream job at HP came along and then Apple computer so he never got around to finishing his degree until the 80s.

Wheels of Zeus Dates

This biography says that WoZ was founded in 2002, while the page for WoZ says 2001. Which one is correct? 151.198.233.92 19:19, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Similarly, I am curious to know which date is accurate. Tha*Lunat!k 08:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Freemasonry

In iWoz he says he joined the freemasons (as mentioned here too). Does anyone know what level of freemason he is at currently? JettaMann 00:26, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I just want to note that someone has removed the reference to his freemasonry membership from this site. What the heck? He talks about that quite a bit in his autobiography so I think it is significant enough to mention here. JettaMann (talk) 16:43, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Contribution

From the Wikimedia live contributions list:

Steve Wozniak 2006-12-20 04:16:53 USD 200.00 200.00

Thanks, Woz. Chick Bowen 05:42, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

iWoz

For those interested, I just changed iWoz from a redirect to this article into a real article. Take a look if you're interested. — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:58, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

High school friend?

The article calls Jobs and Wozniak high school friends. Was Wozniak held back five years? There's five years' difference in their ages. Preston McConkie 11:34, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

From Steve Jobs - The Journey Is The Reward:

"In mid-1970, at the end of his sophomore year in high school, when he finished McCollum's electronics class, Steve was also finished with formal training in electronics. That summer he worked at Haltek and became close friends with both Woz and Baum, who were working as systems programmers on a nearby mainframe computer. Much of his advanced training in electronics would come at Woz's elbow, and the two older boys, who were both deeply involved in improving the design of the Flair pen computer of the previous year, allowed Steve to tag along as they conducted research into the stacks at the Stanford library and pored over the product literature and specifications that arrived daily at Woz's house."

--Marty Goldberg 16:29, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

In other words, they weren't high-school friends, though Jobs was in high school when they became friends. Thanks for the citation, I'm going to change the statement in the article. Preston McConkie 17:43, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

No, they were not high school friends, though Jobs was in high school when Woz met him. I think Jobs attended the same school Woz attended. It's all in his book, iWoz. — Frecklefoot | Talk 17:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Still an Apple employee?

I just read this on msnbc (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19512577/):

"The other customers awarded the honorary first spot in line to Wozniak, who planned to buy two iPhones Friday even though he remains an Apple employee and will get a free one from the company next month."

Is that true? What exactly does he do at Apple as an "employee?" 75.5.93.130 01:00, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

This is answered above in 8: "still an employee"

Thinkdunson 09:20, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

can't link from myspace

i think the url having capital letters in it keeps me from being able to link to the steve wozniak page. is it possible to have it changed to lower-case?

Thinkdunson 09:16, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Please fix the wife issues

It has already been pointed out, numerous times too, that the information on his wives do not add up. And who is Alice?? This is beyond ridiculous and the issue has been open for ages now. --13:43, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Title of Doctor

Has Steve Wozniak been awarded a non-honorary doctorate? If not, the introduction should not use the title Dr. Steve Wozniak. It is not conventional to use Dr as a title for honorary doctorates.

See [4]

Dellar 04:02, 31 July 2007

Yes, he was awarded one. Also, please use the wikipedia signature button when signing off on your post. Its the button at the top of your edit window with cursive looking writing in it next to the W with a red circle and line through it. --Marty Goldberg 13:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for that. The link you provided was for a honorary doctorate though. I can't see where he has a non-honorary (earned) doctorate (which by convention use the title of Dr - not honorary doctorates). --dellar 00:00, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Kathy Griffin

He is not dating Kathy Griffin; removed from Trivia section, please see: http://blog.wired.com/business/2007/08/steve-wozniak-d.html

--toddself 23:04, 20 August 2007 (EDT)

He is now dating Griffin, though I don't think it's prudent to put the engaged rumors into the article. Let's wait to see if it's actually confirmed. Surfeited 04:27, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Source? The one currently being used is not a good one. 4.231.130.184 (talk) 18:21, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Personal Life Section?

Seems info about wives, children, hobbies, etc might be moved to a personal section. Would make it easier to find this information when looking for that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.191.21 (talk) 04:15, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I noticed the lack of personal section or "early life" section too, which seems odd. Most biographies have this section. I suspect this is because his engineer dad, his mom, and himself were Republicans. Wozniak joined the Young Republican's club in college and while he was working on the Apple computers. Apple people tend to want to bury that fact. JettaMann (talk) 20:06, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Problems with Jobs

Shouldn't the little falling out he had with Steve Jobs be mentioned? Before Apple took off, Jobs worked at Atari and would usually have Wozniak do most of the programming for him. When Jobs was asked to reduce the amount of chips used for a certain game (I can't remember which one off the top of my head), he was offered a bonus for every one he could remove since each chip removed would save Atari money. Wozniak was able to get it down to about 25 chips (when most arcade games used 75), and Jobs still got the bonus even though Atari didn't use the design (Wozniak did such a good job that the people at the facotry building the games couldn't reproduce it). Jobs told Wozniak he was splitting the bonus with him, but lied about the amount (Jobs got a bonus around $5,000 but told Wozniak it was $500). When Wozniak found out he was hurt. More info can be found in the book "The Ultimate History of Video Games". TJ Spyke 04:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

In iWoz, Wozniak notes that he found out about it later, but pretty much forgave him. He said something about always knowing that back then, Jobs was the greedy type and he didn't still hold it against him. He doesn't say that it led to a falling out. Given that Jobs and Wozniak are good friends today pretty much proves that it didn't ruin their friendship. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 13:24, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

And the game in question was Breakout. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 13:24, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Spyke - its already mentioned in the Jobs article. If you want a full account, read my article on it. Frecklefoot - As far as them still being friends, they don't see each other often according to Woz, so I'm not sure how "good" of friends they are. As Woz also mentions in his book, he chalks it up to that's just who Jobs "is" and goes in to some thoughts about morality. I wouldn't take Woz being very forgiving (his own words) to mean they're good friends. --Marty Goldberg 18:25, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Marty, nice article! I guess Woz was fairly forgiving in his book, iWoz, maybe because (a) he knew Jobs would probably read the book and (b) Apple is stock is making him richer by the second, based mainly on Jobs' leadership of the company. I guess I saw a photo of them together in the book and assumed they were still friends. Man, from your article, it sounds like Jobs is more of a user than I had previously thought. Woz gave him a pretty kind treatment in his book. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 19:22, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Interview with Woz

Hi

I was going through some old magazine articles I wrote in the 70s and came across two from 1979. They may be of interest to some on this site.

You can see them at

http://www.ee.cityu.edu.hk/~rtbrad/archive/woz interview apr 79.pdf

and

http://www.ee.cityu.edu.hk/~rtbrad/archive/woz interview may 79.pdf

Contact if you want some more details. I have a similar interview with Jobs from the same timeframe somewhere.

Robin Bradbeer eersbrad@cityu.edu.hk http://www.ee.cityu.edu.hk/~rtbrad

Deleted part about Freemasonry

I removed this sentence:

About this time, Wozniak became a member of the Freemasons in order to spend more time with his first wife, Alice, who was a member of the equivalent women's group, the Order of the Eastern Star.

It was recently edited to be "second wife, Candi" which is not correct, according to iWoz, where he writes "Sherry and Alice had gotten involved with a group called Eastern Star... In order to have more time with her, I decided that I would become a Freemason."

However, "About this time" refers to a point in the "Post-Apple Career" section around 1987, which is much later than the period he is describing in iWoz. So I'm just removing this sentence until someone sees fit to establish the correct chronology and put that back in the right place. I'm not even sure it's noteworthy. Jkraybill (talk) 23:23, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

It is noteworthy because it explains his affiliation with Freemasonry. I would expect biographical information like this for anyone who is affiliated with any religion or fraternal organization. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 13:23, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Joke book and dial a joke.

I noticed there's no mention of the Dial a Joke service he ran from his home at one point, or of the joke book: The Official Computer Freaks Joke Book he co-authored with Larry Gonick (sorry, just checked and that should be Larry Wilde). Kieranocall (talk) 04:17, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Tetris High score

i have really old nintendo power magazines and i will check for the high scores of steve woznaik or evets kianzow. ill post tomorrow. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.138.203.253 (talk) 13:57, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Woz/iWoz biogrpraphy section merge

The book "iWoz" article should stand alone as a summary of the book, summarizing the biographical information presented in the book

The "Wozniak" article should retain its own (separate) biography, as it might emphasize different aspects, and serves a different purpose. wozniak and jobs are world wide heros with their invention of apple.

rhyre (talk) 20:10, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

"His favorite video game is Tetris.[33] In the 1990s he submitted so many high scores for the game to Nintendo Power that they would no longer print his scores, so he started sending them in under the alphabetically reversed "Evets Kainzow".[34]"

What happened to the support for the high scores and "Evets Kainzow"? There are no references that supports those claims. Joe hill (talk) 19:29, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I object the continuing use of the term "engineer" in the autobio, rather than the correct term(s) "electronics technician" or "electrical engineering designer". As far as I know, Wozniak has never been registered with the California (or any other state)board of engineeing registration.Whodatinlrsc (talk) 03:23, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Republican

I read through iWoz and he mentioned that he was a young republican in college. This seems like it would be a good addition to the personal section because I think that would surprise a lot of people. 24.76.167.34 (talk) 19:33, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Ancestry

WP guidelines [5] say The opening paragraph should have:

1. Name(s) and title(s), if any (see, for instance, also Wikipedia:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility));
2. Dates of birth and death, if known (see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Dates of birth and death);
3. Nationality and ethnicity –
   1. Usually this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen or national, or was a citizen when the person became notable. (Note: There is no consensus on how to define nationality for people from the United Kingdom, which encompasses constituent countries. For more information, please see the essay "Wikipedia:Nationality of people from the United Kingdom" and the talk page archives. There are also issues with highly mobile people whose nationality may be unclear.)
   2. Ethnicity or sexuality should not generally be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. Similarly, previous nationalities and/or the country of birth should not be mentioned in the opening sentence unless they are relevant to the subject's notability.
4. What the person did;
5. Why the person is significant.

So why does the introduction say "His ancestors are of Polish descent."? I suggest that this be removed from the introduction. Varsovian (talk) 18:55, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

I disagree with your removal of sourced material and I think it should be restored.  Dr. Loosmark  01:23, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Given that WP guidelines [6] say "Ethnicity or sexuality should not generally be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability.", could you perhaps explain how Wozniak's ancestors being of Polish descent is in any way relevant to the subject's notability? Thank you in advance. Varsovian (talk) 11:40, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

The guideline says it should not be mentioned in the opening sentence. It wasn't.  Dr. Loosmark  12:33, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

No, the guidelines say that "Similarly, previous nationalities and/or the country of birth should not be mentioned in the opening sentence unless they are relevant to the subject's notability." Do you mean that Wozniak was born in Poland or has previously held Polish nationality? If you do not, you are looking at the wrong guideline. If you do, can we please have some WP:RS regarding his previous Polish nationality and/or Polish birth place. Can you please explain how Wozniak's ancestors being of Polish descent is in any way relevant to the subject's notability or alternatively give some other reason why you object to me following WP guidelines. Varsovian (talk) 14:36, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

May I ask what are you talking about? I have not claimed that Wozniak was born in Poland or that he held Polish nationality. And usually not all the information within an article is relevant to subject's notability.  Dr. Loosmark  14:50, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

If you are not claiming that Wozniak was born in Poland or that he held Polish nationality, why are you stating that the guideline which deals with previous nationalities and/or the country of birth should be used for other information? You state that "The guideline says it should not be mentioned in the opening sentence. It wasn't.", what do you mean by 'it'? I entirely agree with you point about what is usually in an article but we are dealing with the lead and there are very specific guidelines about leads. Varsovian (talk) 15:07, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Please be precise, the guideline talks about the opening not the lead.  Dr. Loosmark  15:20, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Could you perhaps go into detail as to why the ancestry of the subject's ancestors is so important that it should be mentioned in the opening paragraphs? WP Guidelines clearly state what should go into the opening paragraphs of articles, so if you could pay attention to them, it would help. Varsovian (talk) 16:47, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Then why didn't you simply move the sentence from the opening paragraphs into the body of the article?  Dr. Loosmark  18:00, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

That sounds sensible. Where in the body would you suggest? Varsovian (talk) 18:59, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Freemason

He may have been a Freemason, but he's also an athiest which would disqualify him as a Freemason. I'm not making a value judgement since I'm also an ex-Freemason and a nontheist, but we should look at http://www.woz.org/letters/general/72.html where Woz says "I am also atheist or agnostic (I don't even know the difference). I've never been to church and prefer to think for myself." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.115.32 (talk) 18:39, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Early life

There is nothing really in this article about his life before Apple. Could someone please make an early life section including where he was born, a little about his childhood (perhaps), where he went to school, etc. please? Thanks, Rooot (talk) 03:45, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm not going to add that information (at least not right now), but if you're really interested, iWoz has a lot of details about that period of his life. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 17:54, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Is he Polish or Ukrainian?

Is it substantiated anywhere that he is of Polish descent? I’m afraid that, I was unable to find anything on it. However I did find some info that his parents were Ukrainian immigrants. I think this has started because there is up and coming tennis player named Alexandra Wozniak who is of Polish descent, however there is a lot of name overlapping within Slavic groups. Unless it is actually confirmed by him, I think his ethnic background should be left off altogether. Here is the link about his parents being from Ukraine, which is still not a confirmation, although it seems more genuine as it's quite specific as to which region of Ukraine his parents are from.

http://wnu-ukraine.com/news/economy-business/?id=563 Mykyta (talk) 02:42, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

It's been *confirmed* dozens of times by the man himself, and this came up quite differently:) He's among the recipients of Polish-American Congress Heritage award. Lordkosmos (talk) 02:21, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Addon: please add Woz back to Polish Americans Category. Lordkosmos (talk) 02:33, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 5 October 2011

Fix the citation for Steve Jobs death. Please.

68.101.35.93 (talk) 03:40, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

I see no current issue with that reference. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 02:22, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 6 October 2011

1974 not 1964

206.169.250.150 (talk) 14:04, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

I find neither date currently in the article. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 02:21, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 6 October 2011

Hi, Steve crashed his plane at Scotts Valley airport, not Scott valley. Scotts Valley airport is between Santa Cruz and Los Gatos and was shut down to air traffic not long after Woz's crash. 74.107.107.52 (talk) 16:38, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

This is fixed now. — RockMFR 00:01, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Crash and marriage - doesn't seem to be coherent

In the snippet below from the article, the Airplane Crash section says his wife helped him with his memory, then immediately following the Employment with Apple sections says he didn't go back to Apple right away after his recovery, but got married. This either makes no sense, or something is missing about his marriage situation, or something is amiss.

Airplane crash

... After questioning his wife, he finally began to figure out what had happened, after which his memory began operating correctly again. [edit]

Employment with Apple

Wozniak did not immediately return to Apple after having recovered from the crash. Instead, he married Candice Clark and returned to UC Berkeley— Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.126.38.40 (talk) 20:48, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Ethnicity

Why not note this in the article? Anyone ashamed? --46.114.154.84 (talk) 12:53, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, Wozniak certainly isn't; he's publicly stated his Polish decent many times. It was in the article at one point, don't know why or how it got removed. But this article is tagged with the Polish descent category. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 16:24, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Youth section. Can we confirm this?

One editor recently added a bit. [7] Any sources for that? I see places that he went to University of Colorado not that he quit and went to a local college instead. And he did single-handedly create the Apple. He was drawing out the design he wanted before he could afford the parts to build one. Dream Focus 22:24, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

wife/ crash chronology,

Was Steve Wozniak married at the time of his crash? according to the section on the crash he was he was but the next section says he then got married? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.90.15 (talk) 18:56, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure about the chronology, but it's all in his book, iWoz. He's bee married a few times. I'll have to reread it and see how it all fits together. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 20:31, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Is it Stephen or Stephan

I'm reading iWoz at the moment and in the opening paragraph he quotes his real name as Stephan instead of Stephen. Should the article be changed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.154.239.254 (talk) 09:35, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

"Helped create"

I want to change "helped create the Apple I and Apple II computers" to "created the Apple I computer and co-created the Apple II computer". "Helped create" is too diminishing to his actual contribution. Objections? Renato (talk) 22:26, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Sounds more appropriate. --Reify-tech (talk) 16:23, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Worked as teacher?

I think Woz worked as a high school science teacher for some years after Apple. If true, can somebody add this in, with refs? --Reify-tech (talk) 16:23, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Stephan Vs Stephen

in the iWoz book (written by Steve Wozniak himself) it states that Steve was born Stephan (with an a) and not Stephen. Steve claims that there was a mistake when his birth certificate was written and his mother meant to name him Stephen, but that was not his legal name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rneu31 (talk • contribs) 05:43, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Polish name is Stefan (read in English exactly as Stephan). I think Stephan is more likely to be what his mother meant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.64.66.72 (talk) 04:36, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Updating to Stephen as all sourceable material spells it Stephen. Lloyddewolf (talk) 17:45, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

College attendance

There is disagreement between the current wikipedia article and the most recent NY Times article on Apple regarding Wozniak's post highschool education (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/business/apples-tax-strategy-aims-at-low-tax-states-and-nations.html?pagewanted=2). The NYT claims that Wozniak attended a community college for 5 years until 1974, while the current wikipedia revision states that he enrolled in UC Berkeley in 71. Can someone reconcile these contradictory facts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.244.160.167 (talk) 01:09, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Why isn't any of Woz's hack history in his wiki?

The whole "history of hacking" doc is basically in relation to his history... and there's no mention of it. Why?

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cecky3pvxc

Unclefishbits (talk) 06:56, 31 July 2012 (UTC)Fishbits, 30 July 2012

Reference removed

This reference was removed along with the sentence it referred to because it was redundant. It is posted here in case it proves useful later. -> Alex Kidman (May 14, 2012). "Woz On Innovation, Robots And What Apple Does Wrong". {{cite web}}: Text "work-Gizmodo Australia" ignored (help) -- Blainster (talk) 04:28, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Net Worth

I removed the Net Worth part of the Infobox for the following reasons:

1. The number in the infobox claimed 2012 values, but both 'references' were dated 2011.
2. The number of "$100 million" is apparently apocryphal--it is mentioned in many places on the Web (even on Forbes!) but never with any source citation that I have found. The two references used on this Wikipedia page were themselves non-authoritative sites with no further justification of the number. So, this number appears to have appeared and spread without any actual documentation. It might be right (or it might not) but it certainly is not credibly justified.

If someone could find a real number to quote, with authoritative documentation, Wiki would be pleased. However, this does not appear to be easy or even possible right now.152.17.125.184 (talk) 18:48, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Videos

Per WP:NOT, I really don't think we should have the video section at the bottom of the article. Some of the videos are just promotional, like for his iWoz book, for crying out loud. If any of them have any pertinent information to the content of the article, they should be used as refs in the article. If no one objects, I'm going to delete the whole subsection. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 16:49, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Why the Hate?

Why is that when Woz is Googled the Wikipedia entry says "No information should be given about Steve Wozniak due to Apple products sucking but here you go anyway. You're Welcome." Clicking 'Cached' makes the phrase appear in the Wikipedia entry, otherwise the phrase does not appear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.71.9.192 (talk) 03:53, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Sounds like the Google bots need to crawl the page again. Apparently they grabbed a vandalized version of the article. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 03:19, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Needs full re-write...

I have no idea how to tag it, but it really does need a significant re-write... there's a lot of repetition of facts, clumsy style elements (such as lists of factoids), and a general feel of ham-handed writing all around it. It seems as though five different people wrote it, three of whom English was not their primary language... in seven different independently written stages.

I'd tag it for special review for that purpose but have no idea how to go about doing it. Hopefully someone more devoted to wiki will look at it and agree, and set that up. 2602:301:77EC:CBA0:9853:C70F:7438:E8D9 (talk) 23:38, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Jobs' Atari Ripoff

The article should mention the amount of money Jobs made for the Atari Breakout job. Most web references say $5,000. It's a significant amount, it makes Jobs look like a massive wang, to con his business partner and someone who considered him a friend. It's relevant since it's an important and well-know part of Woz's history. Just finding an acceptable reference would be good. 188.29.165.66 (talk) 22:44, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Jewish?

Is he (by descent, not religion)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.231.219.49 (talk) 01:15, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

The exact ethnic background of Steve is an interesting question. His surname is common in Western Ukraine and can be either Ukrainian or Polish. His father was born in Bukovina, which is currently located in Ukraine. but before WWI was part of the Austro-Hungarian empire and between the wars was part of Romania. It is not an area known for having a significant Polish population, although it neighbours an area that was administered by Poland between the wars. His mother was of German extraction, which is logical for the Bukovina region. In some wikipedia articles in other languages he is listed as being Ukrainian (Ukrainian, Byelorusan, Czech) and in others (English, Polish, Russian) as Polish. I doubt that he associates himself with any of these ethnic groups though, but being born in the USA, he definitely is American. Banduryst (talk) 06:26, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

His ancestry is documented in reasonable detail here. His father's side is half Polish and half German. His mother's side is half German, one quarter Northern Irish (Ulster Scots Protestant), and one quarter English. So no, he's not of Jewish heritage. Steve's father was born in Los Angeles, and Steve's paternal grandparents were both American-born as well. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 09:15, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Australian nationality should be removed. The article states he has an Australian visa. Holding a visa doesn't make one an Australian national. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:D:2F81:EF10:E8F0:1D96:162E:FEE (talk) 02:51, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Request for Comments

There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.

The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion.

Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 16:38, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

I tried that link, with no luck. (Perhaps it has already been archived?) Would it help to include here a link to this section of some [other] "Talk:" page? --Mike Schwartz (talk) 21:13, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

"Never Mind!" I found it! It was found here. Enjoy... --Mike Schwartz (talk) 21:24, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Australian citizenship

Multi-millionaire Apple cofounder Steve Wozniak has his eye on Australia as a nice place to end up when he eventually decides to settle down. According to the Australian edition of the International Business Times, Wozniak is well on the way to formally gaining Australian citizenship.

The IB Times says that Wozniak was granted permanent resident status this past weekend due to his status as a "distinguished person"—a common term that many countries use in their immigration criteria to allow famous people to quickly establish residences without having to meet other more difficult immigration requirements.

Wozniak plans to purchase a home in Sydney, where he teaches classes at the city’s University of Technology. Woz also has family there: his son is already a resident, thanks to a marriage to an Australian citizen.

Residency is only one step on the path toward actual citizenship, but Wozniak seems focused on the idea of being able to eventually relocate his entire family to Australia. "I want to be a distinguished part of this country and some day I may say I lived and died an Australian, and that would be a really nice thing to be able to say," he told the Australian Financial Review.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/12/22/steve-wozniak-on-track-to-become-australian-citizen/

Wozniak likes NBN so much, he’s applying for citizenship http://www.afr.com/technology/wozniak-likes-nbn-so-much-hes-applying-for-citizenship-20120925-j9j3v

Ahem, when I tried that link, it did not work. (dead link? perhaps?) I think that "20120925" might contain a TYPO -- maybe it should really be "20120924" instead. ...because, I had better luck with this URL: http://www.afr.com/technology/wozniak-likes-nbn-so-much-hes-applying-for-citizenship-20120924-j9j3v YMMV --Mike Schwartz (talk) 21:42, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

12 Aug 2010, - Big gig: NBN to be 10 times faster When the Government first unveiled the $43 billion NBN plan it promised to deliver speeds of 100 megabits per second (Mbps).

But Senator Conroy now says fibre-optic speeds will hit 1 gigabit per second, 10 times faster than first thought. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-08-12/big-gig-nbn-to-be-10-times-faster/941408

Faith in Apple’s future as Woz becomes an Aussie http://www.afr.com/technology/cloud-computing/faith-in-apples-future-as-woz-becomes-an-aussie-20141219-12a9gd

Wozniak says his decision to make Australia home came after he received an email from old friend, Sydney-based barrister Nicholas Baltinos, alerting him to the fact it could be a possibility.

With a son married to an Aussie and resident in Sydney, and a fondness for the local culture, Wozniak says he plunged into the lengthy series of visa applications, medicals and FBI checks before finally being accepted.

“I have now got a visa for dis­tinguished people – or something like that – it took a long time and cost some money, but we have done it for our entire family, so we can all reside here," Wozniak says.

“I want to be a distinguished part of this country and some day I may say I lived and died an Australian, and that would be a really nice thing to be able to say. No country is perfect, but I like a lot of things about this place."

The Wozniaks will initially buy a home in Sydney, and are using a current visit to go house hunting. He says he’ll continue to be based mainly in the US for the time being, due to his frequent public speaking engagements, but intends to settle in Australia when he starts to slow down a bit. http://www.afr.com/technology/cloud-computing/faith-in-apples-future-as-woz-becomes-an-aussie-20141219-12a9gd

Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak joins UTS http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/apple-cofounder-steve-wozniak-joins-uts-20141021-119qco.html

Wozniak to be a permanent fixture http://www.smh.com.au/business/wozniak-to-be-a-permanent-fixture-20141218-12aecr.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.187.250.204 (talk) 14:52, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

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College degree

I added Steve Wozniak's college degree to the Infobox because I couldn't find information about it in the article. The internet has several conflicting claims about his college degree:

• Encyclopedia Britannica gets the year right, but the field of study wrong: "a bachelor of science degree in electrical engineering in 1987."[8]
• ThoughtCo.com gets the field of study correct, but fails to mention the year of graduation. It says he "returned to college to finish his degree in electrical engineering and computer science."[9]
• YourDictionary.com claims the wrong year for his graduation: "Wozniak was officially awarded a degree several years later, in 1986."[10]"
• MIT gets both the year and degree right by saying Wozniak headed "back to school to complete his BS degree in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science at U.C. Berkeley in 1987."[11]

Steve Wozniak's own personal website confirms that both MIT and ThoughtCo.com are correct. It says "1987 BS EECS U.C. Berkeley".[12] --JHP (talk) 21:02, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Steve Wozniak biography

Hi Guys,

I think that there is a huge mistake in the Steve Wozniak biography. It is more related to his origins than to himself.

In the article, there is a phrase "(Ukrainians who lived in the former Ukrainian city of Przemyśl, today Poland[11])".

Przemysl is a polish city and never belongs to Ukraine, more to it Ukrainians have done a genocide of polish people in this area.

Please do not twist our history, this is unacceptable for us Polish.

Kind regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.233.159.69 (talk) 10:09, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

This book iWoz: From Computer Geek to Cult Icon, proves that Steve Wozniak is a Polish ancestry. https://books.google.pl/books?id=hlA6Xv3-59YC&lpg=PA130&ots=Hs79jl0vAQ&dq=Steve%20Wozniak%20polish&hl=pl&pg=PA129#v=onepage&q=Steve%20Wozniak%20polish&f=false

It is a 2006 autobiography by computer engineer and programmer Steve Wozniak. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IWoz — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.235.147.100 (talk) 18:13, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

See this

This

Halych–Volyn 2nd half of the 13th century – 1st half of the 14th century Halych-Volyn in mid-13th century Annexations by Halych-Volyn (years) Other Ruthenian Principalities Golden Horde Kingdom of Hungary Kingdom of Poland Teutonic Order Grand Duchy of Lithuania Borders of lands and regional principalities Main trade routes Borders of Ruthenian Principalities "Capital cities" Kyiv Chernihiv Pereyaslavl Horodok (Hrodna) Pinsk Turov Volodymyr Halych Minsk Sluchesk Dubrovytsia Stepan' Horchevsk Ovruch Iskorosten (Korosten) Vozviahel (Novohrad-Volynsky) Kolodiazhen Hubyn Medjybozh (Medzhybizh) Novhorodok Valkhovyisk Rodka Mukacheve Koshytsi Sandomierz Lublin Kholm Cherven Suteysk Vizna Bilsk Dorohychyn Kamyanets Kobryn Berestia (Brest) Vlodava Luboml Belz Zvenyhorod Lviv Buzhsk Peremyshl Yaroslavl Sanok Sambir Lutsk Dorogobuzh Peresopnytsia Duben (Dubno) Kremyanets Zaslav Terebovl Kolomyia Vasyliv Chern (Chernivtsi) Khotyn Boloto Ushytsia Kyiv Principality Turov–Pinsk Principality Minsk Principality Polatsk Principality Black Ruthenia Zakarpattia (1230–1240) (1230–ті) (1252–1276) (1280–1320) (1289–1302) (1251–1252) (1254) Halych Principality Land of Berestia Cherven– Kholm Land Volhynia Principality Belz Principality Lutsk Principality Dnipro Bozh (Southern Bug) Dnister Prut Seret Tysa Wisla San Bug Neman Prypyat Wieprz

• Kingdom of Galicia–Volhynia
• Galicia–Volhynia Wars
• Pacification of Ukrainians in Eastern Galicia
• Operation Vistula

And this

Steve Wozniak in Kyiv: I am Ukrainian!

He has not got a so-called Ukrainian origin. When his ancestry moved to USA, Ukrainian didn't exist. Woźniak is a pure Polish surname. Does he calls "Wozniuk" like "Kravchuk" or "Timoshchuk"? Polish ending is -ak, Ukrainian is - uk. Anyway, Wozniak said that he is the most famous Pole in the entire world after Maria Skłodowska-Curie. Next, check it out:

https://businessinsider.com.pl/technologie/nowe-technologie/steve-wozniak-stal-w-kolejkach-po-sprzety-apple/pxknn62

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Grody_czerwienskie.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Polish-Lithuanian_Commonwealth_in_1619.PNG

Wozniak is a 100% Polish surname. Historically, western Ukraine was Polish and ethnically Polish people lived there. Read about the Volhynian genocide. 217.172.255.206 (talk) 10:53, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Steve Wozniak nationality

In English Wikipedia article it's mentioned that Steve is "Albanian-American inventor,...". Is he Albanian of origin? His name family "Wozniak" is typical POLISH name and originally written as "Woźniak". In Polish Wikipedia Steve Wozniak is described as "American engineer and inventor of Polish descent". Can anyone verify it?

Wozniak is a pure Polish surname, and has nothing to do with Ukrainians and no other Slavic nation other than the Poles. Wozniak = Woźniak = 100% Polish last name.

However, Steve Wozniak's mother could have some Swiss-German or Albanian descent, but we need sources for that. No place for unsourced data on Wikipedia. 217.172.255.206 (talk) 10:51, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

to complete it, for overall he is mainly of polish and german descent. His mother is from german parents! There is nothing noted about. As two neighboring countries, mixed settlement and polish minorities, also later majorities in Prussia, Austria-Hungary also later Germany, mixed marriages were very often. Also 100.000s of Polish moved to the Rhine-Area in the time of industrialism and were assimilated.

https://www.nndb.com/people/519/000023450/

Mother: Margaret Kern ->>> C. Kern and B. Volz->Christoph Kern and Barbara Volz. Barbara was born in Plankstadt, Baden-Württemberg, Germany to Valentin Volz and Eva Treiber. Kern is also a typical german surname.

or a link which is not a source ? -> https://ethnicelebs.com/steve-wozniak

so more exactly Ethnicity:

*Polish, Swiss-German/German (father)

*German, Northern Irish, English (mother)

so it seems more than 50% percents german descent.

2A02:8109:8C80:74BC:3832:D5BD:5DC4:6FEC (talk) 16:53, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Birthplace?

Wozniak's place of birth is listed here as San Jose, but no evidence is provided for that claim. His actual place of birth is not stated in his autobiography. A careful reading of The Little Kingdom tracks Jerry Wozniak from CalTech in Pasadena to "about a year working as a junior engineer at a small company in san francisco," then quit and spent about 12 months working on a startup in an unspecified location with an unspecified friend (26). Soon thereafter, he and Margaret are back in Southern California, where Wozniak is raised until 1958, when Jerry relocates to Sunnyvale work at Lockheed. No dates on when Jerry went from Caltech to San Francisco, when he and Margaret married, or when they returned to So Cal--so do we *actually* know where Woz was born, or has it just been presumption? Does anyone have source material vetted by Wozniak himself? ---Sierra OffLine (talk) 16:55, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Feel free to remove the content if it doesn't reflect the cited source. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 04:45, 13 July 2020 (UTC)