Talk:Status of Jerusalem

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Status of Jerusalem article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1, 2: 3 months

Warning: active arbitration remedies

The contentious topics procedure applies to this article. This article is related to the Arab–Israeli conflict, which is a contentious topic. Furthermore, the following rules apply when editing this article:

You must be logged-in and extended-confirmed to edit or discuss this topic on any page (except for making edit requests, provided they are not disruptive)
You may not make more than 1 revert within 24 hours on any edits related to this topic

Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be blocked or restricted by an administrator. Editors are advised to familiarise themselves with the contentious topics procedures before editing this page.

Further information

The exceptions to the extended confirmed restriction are:

Non-extended-confirmed editors may use the "Talk:" namespace only to make edit requests related to articles within the topic area, provided they are not disruptive.
Non-extended-confirmed editors may not create new articles, but administrators may exercise discretion when deciding how to enforce this remedy on article creations. Deletion of new articles created by non-extended-confirmed editors is permitted but not required.

With respect to the WP:1RR restriction:

Clear vandalism of whatever origin may be reverted without restriction. Also, reverts made solely to enforce the extended confirmed restriction are not considered edit warring.
Editors who violate this restriction may be blocked by any uninvolved administrator, even on a first offence.

After being warned, contentious topics procedure can be used against any editor who repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process. Contentious topic sanctions can include blocks, topic-bans, or other restrictions.
Editors may report violations of these restrictions to the Arbitration enforcement noticeboard.

If you are unsure if your edit is appropriate, discuss it here on this talk page first. When in doubt, don't revert!

This article has been mentioned by a media organization:

Omer Benjakob (7 December 2017). "Two-Page Solution? After Trump Move, Jerusalem Battle Now Plays Out on Wikipedia". Haaretz. Archived from the original on 21 April 2018.

Israel Top‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Israel, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Israel on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.IsraelWikipedia:WikiProject IsraelTemplate:WikiProject IsraelIsrael-related articles

Top

This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.

Project Israel To Do:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Assess : Rate the Unassessed Israel-related articles and Unknown-importance Israel-related articles.
Cleanup : Cleanup listing for this project is available. See also the list by category and the tool's wiki page.
Collaborate : Participate in WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration.
Copyedit : Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict in 2005
Deletion sorting : Participate in discussions at WikiProject Deletion sorting/Israel.
Expand : Ayala Procaccia, Diamond industry in Israel, Edna Arbel, Levin Kipnis, Rami Kleinstein, Sephardic Haredim, Zman Tel Aviv, Nachum Heiman, Public Defence (Israel), Prisoner of Zion, Trial of Benjamin Netanyahu, Day to Mark the Departure and Expulsion of Jews from the Arab Countries and Iran, Pre-Modern Aliyah
See also Articles needing translation from Hebrew Wikipedia.
Geographical coordinates : Add geographic coordinates to Israel articles missing geocoordinate data.
Infobox : Add infoboxes to Israel articles needing infoboxes.
Maintain : See Israel articles needing attention.
Map : See discussion at Module:Location map/data/Israel. Add maps to articles in Wikipedia requested maps in Israel.
NPOV : Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries
Photo : Add pictures to articles in Wikipedia requested photographs in Israel.
Stubs : See Israel stubs.
Update : Basic Law proposal: Israel as the Nation-State of the Jewish People
Other :
- Translate to Hebrew : David Bar-Hayim, Guy Bavli, and Guy Oseary.

Palestine Mid‑importance

	Palestine portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Palestine, a team effort dedicated to building and maintaining comprehensive, informative and balanced articles related to the geographic Palestine region, the Palestinian people and the State of Palestine on Wikipedia. Join us by visiting the project page, where you can add your name to the list of members where you can contribute to the discussions.PalestineWikipedia:WikiProject PalestineTemplate:WikiProject PalestinePalestine-related articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Israel Palestine Collaboration

This article is within the scope of the WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration, a collaborative, bipartisan effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. For guidelines and a participants list see the project page. See also {{Palestine-Israel enforcement}}, the ArbCom-authorized discretionary sanctions, the log of blocks and bans, and Working group on ethnic and cultural edit wars. You can discuss the project at its talk page.Israel Palestine CollaborationWikipedia:WikiProject Israel Palestine CollaborationTemplate:WikiProject Israel Palestine CollaborationIsrael Palestine Collaboration articles

Politics Top‑importance

	Politics portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Politics, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of politics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PoliticsWikipedia:WikiProject PoliticsTemplate:WikiProject Politicspolitics articles
Top	This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.

Western Asia Top‑importance

	Asia portal This article is within the scope of the WikiProject Western Asia, which collaborates on articles related to Western Asia. To participate, you can edit this article or visit the project page for more details.Western AsiaWikipedia:WikiProject Western AsiaTemplate:WikiProject Western AsiaWestern Asia articles
Top	This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.

International relations High‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject International relations, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of International relations on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.International relationsWikipedia:WikiProject International relationsTemplate:WikiProject International relationsInternational relations articles
High	This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Archives

Archive 1

Archive 2

This page has archives. Sections older than 90 days may be automatically archived by when more than 6 sections are present.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 November 2023

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Change "Only four countries have embassies to Israel in Jerusalem: the US, Guatemala, Honduras and the partially recognized Kosovo" to "Only five countries have embassies to Israel in Jerusalem: the US, Guatemala, Honduras, Papua New Guinea and the partially recognized Kosovo" as Papua new guinea recently moved their embassy to Jerusalem. source: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/papua-new-guinea-opens-embassy-jerusalem-2023-09-05/ Chilp302 (talk) 11:39, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done Elli (talk | contribs) 20:11, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong Hussein bin Ali

The islamic holy sites sections contains the following: "The status of Islamic holy sites in Jerusalem, including Haram Al-Sharif/Temple Mount, is also unresolved. In 1924, the Supreme Muslim Council, the highest Muslim body in charge of Muslim community affairs in Mandatory Palestine, accepted Hussein bin Ali (Sharif of Mecca) as custodian of Al-Aqsa."

The link for Hussein bin Ali redirects to the page for Hussein ibn Ali the Shia imam from the 7th century. This is obviously not the right Hussein. The correct Hussein was the King of Hejaz from this article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussein_bin_Ali,_King_of_Hejaz). Please fix this.

Laughable that an error like this got through on this overly-moderated nanny state of a website Stuffmaster1000 (talk) 21:47, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Yue🌙 20:15, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 November 2023

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

2A00:23C8:2A82:DE01:94D0:1A57:6F01:F316 (talk) 21:49, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jerusalem is the capital of Palestine.

Not done: It says right in the first sentence that Palestine claims it as its capital. Tollens (talk) 23:14, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Parts of Jerusalem in Oslo Accords

Hello Wikipedians, I have seen that few neighbourhoods in Jerusalem such as Sur Baher, Umm Tuba and Beit Hanina were included in the Oslo Accords and PA have some sovereignty in these places. Pls see to it and mention it in the article. Thanks Ya Haraami (talk) 14:14, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Opening paragraph

Opening paragraph does so much mental gymnastics to avoid stating what the conflict is about. PA recognizes Israel and thus its sovereignty over West Jerusalem. What it does not recognize is its sovereignty over East Jerusalem including its holy sites such as Aqsa mosque and Dome of the Rock, which are part of the West Bank considered occupied by Israel under international law. That's the current conflict on the status of Jerusalem. Makeandtoss (talk) 13:50, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Makeandtoss do you want to WP:BOLDly edit this? So we can finally remove the NPOV banner? VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 22:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I unfortunately can't think of any good phrasings for the opening paragraph at this moment. Makeandtoss (talk) 22:16, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The ICJ ruling has declared the territories of the West Bank including East Jerusalem and the Gaza strip to be a single political unit; as the Palestinians have long argued. Accordingly, the opening sentence should reflect this; portraying West Jerusalem as part of Israel, and East Jerusalem as part of the OPT since 1967 that was illegally annexed according to international law (not according to only Palestinians). Makeandtoss (talk) 10:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, I agree with that, it has been a bit up in the air for a long time but if we accept that the legal position is as the ICJ says it is, then no reason not to go with that. Be nice to get some secondary sourcing as well. Selfstudier (talk) 17:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

In the section on foreign embassies appears the following sentence:

The United States had a consulate general in Jerusalem, which was reclassified as its embassy in 2018.

It is followed by a "citation needed" tag. I suggest that this text be changed to read

The United States consulate general in Jerusalem, which had acted as a de facto embassy to the Palestinians, was merged into the Jerusalem-based embassy following its 2018 relocation.

supported with the reference

"US consulate general in Jerusalem merges with embassy". BBC News. March 5, 2019. Retrieved April 7, 2024.

or something along those lines. The current text is factually inaccurate as there was an embassy in Tel Aviv that was separate from the consulate general prior to 2018. 1.141.198.161 (talk) 08:45, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 15:14, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]