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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
An award is rather different from a decoration. It can mean an award for poetry or cooking or literature. "Awards and decorations" is the accepted term for these things. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:34, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No. That was about the title for the article on the generic term. These articles, however, are using it in a more specific sense, where "awards and decorations" is the accepted term. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:26, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Colin M: Thanks. While at it, though, would you mind sharing what would have beeen you idea for some of the optimal names for the listed entries in hypothetical individual talks? PPEMES (talk) 11:54, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, though please consider these just preliminary thoughts - I haven't done thorough due diligence on each of them:
This looks like a complicated situation. An earlier attempt to boldly merge this article with Ecclesiastical award was reverted by User:Place Clichy for what look to me like reasonable concerns. This needs input from editors knowledgeable about the subject matter, perhaps, as Place Clichy suggested, via a WP:MERGEPROP rather than using the RM process.
Oppose, per necrothesp. Not a list. Current title seems fine. I think simply Civil award is worth considering as a much more WP:CONCISE option, though I'd want to check RS usage.
Oppose unless either 1) evidence is provided that "military award" is the WP:COMMONNAME for this class of entities, or 2) a rationale is given for the benefit of enlarging the scope of the article (under definition 2 in the nomination, wherein "decoration" is a strict subset of "award"). Are there items listed in the article which aren't properly described as decorations? Or are there non-decoration military awards that this article should be expanded to include?
Neutral pending evidence one way or the other of WP:COMMONNAME. However I'll note that if this article were to be renamed, the category tree under Category:Campaign medals should probably also be renamed for consistency.
Leaning oppose. The proposed rename would ostensibly enlarge the scope of the article (because medals are a strict subset of awards), but to what end? AFAICT, every item listed in the article has "medal" in its name, so the current title seems appropriate.
tl;dr: in most of these cases, I think the status quo is working fine. Also, I'm going to refer to my comments in an earlier RM about renames that broaden the nominal scope of an article without actually changing its content. I think they're often counterproductive, and can lead to less recognizable/natural names. I think that factor is in play with a few of these proposed moves, because they involve moving from "medal"/"decoration" to the less specific "award". Colin M (talk) 15:26, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Necrothesp:@Colin M: Are you sure an agreement is impossible? I for one am willing to stretch either of your two ways. As illustrated by Template:Phaleristics, "decorations" is arguably a subtopic of the broader topic awards. Do you have any understanding of the other side's arguments for including and not including "decorations", respectively? From arguments presented on both sides until date, I am neutral. PPEMES (talk) 23:15, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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