Talk:Star Parker

Edit

Removed section evoking the reader to "See CURE's tax returns to before deciding to donate." That is CLEARLY beyond the scope of Wikipedia.

Discussion

Not sure if I have the right to do this, but Ms. Parker has a new book entitled "White Ghetto." It should be added to the list of her books. Thank you.

It's there now. NickBurns 16:03, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Criminal record

The article said she "had a criminal record." If correct, shouldn't that be hasa criminal record?

Couldn't that be clearer, i.e., "was arrested" or "was convicted of ____."

J. J. in PA (talk) 04:50, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

"Quarantine of Sodomites"

I'm removing this statement as it was made by an editorial writer supposedly paraphrasing Parker's statement. If someone can find a transcription or direct quotation to demonstrate that she actually said this, please post. 66.213.203.186 (talk) 22:11, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

The word sodomy was used by her to describe both her positions, being anti-abortion and anti-homosexuality. But since we can't be certain those are her words, perhaps it could be reworded to generally show her stance on these issues, that's mostly what was significant about her appearance at the values voters summit. FantajiFan (talk) 22:56, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

I think there is enough on her anti-gay hate available in proper sources, not just blogs, so it shouldn't be left out. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DEED7103EF936A25757C0A9639C8B63&sec=&spon= CE (talk) 14:15, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

As a Republican and self-ascribed born-again Christian she is not likely to support a pro-gay agenda. It is no wonder that she doesn't. The word sodomy is a commonly used biblical reference to homosexuality and should not be seen as offensive or "anti-gay" (unless, of course, one wishes to call the bible offensive or anti-gay but that argument would surely not be appropriate on Star Parker's wiki page).

Why was this removed?

Shouldn't there be a statement here as to why she was removed? She may not be notable as a politician, but she should be as a columnist.Mzk1 (talk) 21:54, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

I added the AFD notice on top. See the link to the AFD discussion. Yes, we should check the article against journalist, and she could also pass notability under the generic WP:BASIC. – Lionel ^(talk) 00:21, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the link; frankly, that discussion is a travesty. You could knock out almost the entire Wikipedia on that basis. This is a good use for the Conservatism Project; to alert members to such discussions.Mzk1 (talk) 06:53, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Style

I've added information on Star's columns (my first Conservative Project edit). But -

• Should every paragraph (including mine) start with the word "Parker"?
• Shouldn't the Background section be split into Background and one describing her work? I can't think of a good title right now.Mzk1 (talk) 22:32, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Tweaked the name thing. The Background section is ok for now. Let's see how it looks after expands a little. A new section title will present itself naturally. Generally, a work section would be titled "Career." And THANKS for stopping by WPConservatism! – Lionel ^(talk) 00:34, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

After I typed this, I created name sections. Please feel free to modify as you (plural) wish. I am new to biographies.Mzk1 (talk) 06:19, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Promising development

An editor created a Star Parker stub in mainspace on 10/31. It has 2 great sources: St Louis and Fox. We have a good source in this draft here: Christianity Today. If we merge this article with the stub we should have 3 solid sources to count toward notability thus passing WP:BASIC. BONUS: If we get this done by 11/5 we can all get Did You Know credit! What do you think? – Lionel ^(talk) 00:46, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

I deleted the stub under CSD G4 (If I didn't somebody else would have) Here are the sources used in the article...

^ St.Louis Review article. http://stlouisreview.com/article/2011-10-31/star-parker-be-vitae

^ Fox news video about Star Parker. http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/961402717001/get-america-off-welfare

^ The Root article written by Star Parker. http://www.theroot.com/buzz/sexual-and-fiscal-responsibility-go-hand-hand

^ Reason.TV video about Star Parker. http://reason.com/blog/2011/10/31/reasontv-get-government-out-of

^ Conservative-HQ article mentioning Star Parker. http://www.conservativehq.com/article/4925-values-voter-summit-part-three-%E2%80%93-stars-rise

^ GOP-USA article written by Star Parker. http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/2011/10/17/parker-herman-cain-rocket-fuel-for-america/

^ Huffington Post article mentioning Star Parker. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph-ward-iii/anti-gay-religious-right-and-inclusive-christianity_b_1021875.html

^ The Augusta Chronicle article about Star Parker. http://chronicle.augusta.com/opinion/editorials/2011-10-16/caring-through-character?v=1318734583

--Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:54, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

One problem with the stub is that it mentioned her husband's name without giving a source. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:56, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Someone added this link as a source for her birthname.[1] I t also has her husband's name. I'm not sure what kind of source it is.   Will Beback  talk  21:28, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't look like a reliable source but my guess is that what's there is most likely true but better sources are still needed for them. BTW do you think this is ready for article space yet? I personally have nothing against this article being there. I just closed the AFD because it was next on the list. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:48, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

I think the deletion was justifiable, based on the information in the article at the time. Now, more sources have been found. I think it has been improved enough to justify moving to article space.   Will Beback  talk  20:50, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Ok, in that case I'm going to be bold and move it back instead of running it by DRV. If somebody objects they can do another AFD. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:23, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

New source of notability

I see she has recently been interview by ReasonTV, and that has gone somewhat viral. I believe she has also been on PJTV.Mzk1 (talk) 06:55, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Instapundit commented on her page deletion, called it "wikifail" I kind of agree. I've seen a lot less notable stuff pass the hurdles without breaking a sweat. They couldn't seem to find independent articles about her. I had little trouble finding 5 and skipped over the audio/video stuff which seemed to have some promising entries too.

http://www.worldmag.com/articles/16512

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2010/09/antiwelfare_queen.html

http://www.dakotavoice.com/2011/10/star-parker-on-the-welfare-state/

http://stlouisreview.com/article/2011-10-31/star-parker-be-vitae

http://www.lbpost.com/news/ryan/10621

TMLutas (talk) 04:54, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

I suspect this is willfull, that there are people trying to delete Conservatives. See Ben Shapiro. This is why we need the Project.Mzk1 (talk) 19:11, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Please assume good faith. If you review the deletion discussion and the article as it existed at the time there's no indication of bias. There simply wasn't much in the article at the time to indicate notability.   Will Beback  talk  23:08, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps I spoke too quickly. This is one of the things that bothered me: "Her books are published by Thomas Nelson, a Bible publisher which also has a self-publishing arm; self-published books fail WP:AUTHOR.". So there are two issues he cites:

• He is a Bible publisher. So?
• He has a self-publishing arm. He doesn't say the her book was done by that arm, only that he has one. So?

These are arguments?

Perhaps it is a coincidence that I found a RFD at the two commentators (this and Ben Shapiro) I inspected. Still, it would be useful to do a survey of similar articles and see how many RFD's there are.Mzk1 (talk) 21:14, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

A failure to meet the criteria at WP:AUTHOR is a perfectly appropriate argument at AFD. I agree that the self-published issue is probably incorrect, or at least ambiguous, but even if the books were not self-published the subject does not meet author on account of her books. The syndicated column helps, but it alone is not sufficient either. In the end, the subject meets WP:GNG, the general notability guideline, simply because she has been written about enough.   Will Beback  talk  23:30, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Ah, a point that can be discussed outside of the general debate. Star Parker's column appears to be carried by various Conservative news concentrators. I did not check them all (how could I?), but I checked two (JWR and WND) and found her on both. More could be checked. If someone tends to be carried by consevative news concentrators, sites that do not carry the kitchen sink (which is why I did not check Drudge) would not that make her notable as a conservative columnist?Mzk1 (talk) 22:08, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

WP:N requires substantial independent, secondary coverage. Her own works are not independent: thay are primary sources and do not count toward notability. – Lionel ^(talk) 10:27, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

But there appear to be all sorts of exceptions, for example among actors who have received awards. I am not referring to her works (where did I say that?); I am referring to the fact that prominent concentrators decide to list her.Mzk1 (talk) 12:04, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

How many newspapers carry it?

The following line (part of which is mine) end the header:

"Her column is carried weekly by newspapers across the country and opinion sites such as Townhall.[3][4]"

The second part I believe I proved. But was to "newspapers across the country", do we have any proof that it is actually carried (as opposed to offered)?Mzk1 (talk) 21:48, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

At the Townhall ref if you click "read more" it gives you: "Star is a syndicated columnist for Scripps News Service, offering weekly op-eds to more than 300 newspapers worldwide, including the Boston Herald, the Dallas Morning News, the Orange County Register, the Korean Times, the Washington Times, and the Star and Stripes, the largest paper serving the men and women of our Armed Forces." – Lionel ^(talk) 09:16, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

I guess I am unclear as to the meaning of "offered". I'm not sure this is the same as "carried". I guess we can spot-check.Mzk1 (talk) 22:34, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

More sources?

This page would not be considered a "reliable source" for encyclopedic purposes, I think, but it does indicate where we might be able to look for additional information or substantiation: http://www.urbancure.org/starparker.asp ~ MD Otley (talk) 18:16, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

KABC or KMPC?

Parker hosted a radio talk show at KMPC Los Angeles for just under 4 months in 1996. There is no record of Parker ever being a host at radio station KABC Los Angeles as shown in this Wikipedia entry.

72.193.221.65 (talk) 19:00, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

References

Views

it's not written in a way that makes sense, it refers to saturday but in three days that's going to be outdated it looks like someone clipped out a piece of a news article and just dropped it in here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.135.240 (talk) 16:49, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

You

Saw you on News Nation. Thank you for the educational interview with Dan Abrams.

     I watch Dan Abrams every day.  He seems to be a very respectful individual on both sides of the political spectrum. 
    There are 2 things about you I remember from that interview that is very confusing to me.
  1- how did you get to be so insightful.
  2- why are you not married.  
      I'm sorry for such a intrusive question.  However it amazes me when I see such a beautiful lady ( inside and out) who is single.
      I know if you ever get married.  Be it with a man or woman. ( I say that so I don't offend you if you happen to like those of the female persuasion).
      I do know that if you ever do get married.  That individual would be a lucky person to have such a beautiful and smart lady like you. 205.214.241.249 (talk) 06:45, 18 January 2022 (UTC)