User talk:J. J. in PA

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J.J., Wow! You're right. Then again, you are always right (I recognized your name from elsewhere, how many J.J. PRP's are there in PA, after all). Thanks for correcting it. However, one note, you are only supposed to sign your name to talk pages, not to articles, so I tookthat out of there for you. Feel free to reply here, if you would like, as I am watching your talk page.meamemg 23:29, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

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Thank you for the information regarding signatures. I have taken them out where added in two other articles.

I am thinking of a separate article on Majority of the Entire Membership and Majority of the fixed membership, if the concept is confusing.

I'm obviously quite surprised you would recognize my user name. There are only 11 PRP's in PA, so we all kinda know each other.

Again, thank you for your help.--J. J. in PA 00:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm here, too...and recognized you immediately. I do have my doubts about the long-term viability of Wikipedia. -- Jay Maynard 00:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I do as well, but I'm staying around because it'll be interesting to see how it plays out, and whether my efforts can help prevent its failure. Obuibo Mbstpo (talk) 22:36, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

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Jay, I recognized you at least.

Please note that I've added majority of the entire membership and majority of the fixed membership.

I did a bio of former Congressman Don Bailey, and I'd like someone in Bios or Congressional Politics to check it. If you know anyone in those areas, could you give them a heads up?

--J. J. in PA 01:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

There is a Wikiproject for Congress, which I recomend you at least take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject_U.S._Congress. It exists to try and co-ordinate all of the congress related articles. meamemg 02:46, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Honorable

I don't understand what you want. A federal law commanding everyone to adopt the same style of etiquette?

The federal government addresses mayors as honorable, http://www.epa.gov/swerosps/bf/html-doc/confmayo.htm -- I don't know how things are done in Western Pennsylvania, but the mayor of New York City has been honorable for about 340 years now. IN NYC, borough presidents, city commissioners of functional departments, the chancellor of the school system and council members all get "honorable" -- the City's own museum, for instance, lists them this way on its own website http://www.mcny.org/visit/about.html, the City Council uses these throughout their documents http://webdocs.nyccouncil.info/attachments/56570.htm, and they are so listed in every official document that uses honorable (as opposed to their actual job title) I've ever seen.HarvardOxon 22:19, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

1. The Infoplease site (which has no legal authority) states that commissioners get it, so if you want to keep citing it, then you are contradicting yourself. 2. You keep citing this Washington Life magazine, as though it were the Code of Federal Regulations -- its a DC gossip and entertainment advertiser, and some party-goer correspondent put together a half-tongue-in-cheek piece on ex government employees...so what? 3. The city commissioners of Ashland KY get it...http://www.ashlandky.org/contact.htm 4. City Counclmembers in LA get it http://www.mikefeuerforassembly.com/endorsements 5. Chicago aldermen and Cicero trustees get it http://www.transitchicago.com/news/motion/blue/douglas/comm.html 6. the Hoboken City Coiunbcil gets it http://www.hobokennj.org/html/ccouncil/cc.html, how many more do I need so that my information 'counts" as valid???HarvardOxon 23:11, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

WEhat article is in error? Local heads of departments means municipal -- like city...check the LA schools, the NYC department of parks, etc......What do you mean by local? Deputy Borough Presidents who are neither elected not "communications officers" get it. A press secretary, BTW, isn't the head of a municipal functional department.HarvardOxon 00:05, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Please get a copy of the Municipal Greenbook, for God's sake. The Parks, Fire, Police, Citywode Administrative Servioces, Environmental protecvtion, records and Rchives Admionitsration department commissiiners, just for openers, are NOT elected!!!!!HarvardOxon 00:28, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Try this http://www.lausd.k12.ca.us/lausd/board/secretary/html/bd-members/huizar.pdfHarvardOxon 00:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Or this: http://www.novaregion.org/commission.htmHarvardOxon 00:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

In other words, you've started this whole discdussion screaming andf whining that only feds get honorable...then when proven not to know what you're tal;king about, you had to admit that state officials do, including appointed state, then you had to amdit mayros do, then you had to admit council members do , then aldermen, then some local appointed commissioners --- you started this discussion making a broad asertion that was wrong, and you are clinging like grim death to nitpicking words to prove that you can find a word in the entry that is only sometimes true. I found all of these references that p[rove everything you have said so far is wrong in a few minutes with a simple google search. If you want to write a long, elaborate paragraph showing that the whole entry is perfectly correct, but that in SOME municipalities, SOME non-elected department heads don't get Hionorable, go ahead, but then you will have to write an entry for each and every exception to THAT rule that you include, including, as I pointed out, all instances in NEw York, and now apparenmtly some in LA, and so on.HarvardOxon 00:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Blocking Users

J.J, Only administrators are allowed to block users. However, if you find someone vandalizing a page, you should revert the vandalism, and leave them a warning. If they do not respond to the warning, then you should report them at Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism meamemg 20:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Warnings can be left at the vandalizing users talk page. In the case of non-registered users, this would be the talk page for their IP address. However, it looks like you have been reverting the edits of "Lawprofessor", who is a registered user, so you would leave them at User_talk:Lawprofessor. In this case, I would recommend adding either {{subst:uw-vand2}} or {{subst:uw-vand3}} to his talk page. meamemg 02:52, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Parliamentary authorites

I do believe your claim is correct, as most legislatures adopt a parliamentary authority, or use one out of custom. Could you provide documentation or remove it? J. J. in PA 23:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I have no knowledge of the source of this claim; the sentence I added to Parliamentary authority was just copied from Parliamentary procedure, where there is not any reference. I'm not sure whether you do or do not believe that the specific authorities mentioned are popular in the UK, but feel free to edit the articles to be factually accurate. I'm not sure if you want to say "these particular authories are in fact not popular" or if there is some semantic point you object to. One alternative format is to make a list of notable authorities without specifying their popularity or lack thereof, until some references for this information have been located. The individual articles on the authorities may already have such references, though. I have marked both articles as unreferenced. -- Beland 18:19, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Parliamentary Procedure has been formed

I just wanted to let you know about the formation of WikiProject Parliamentary Procedure. We hope to cover all the major motions and parliamentary procedure terms. You are welcome to join. Obuibo Mbstpo (talk) 21:35, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

You can go to Wikipedia:WPPP#Participants and sign with four tildes. Obuibo Mbstpo (talk) 22:12, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Of course, there's also this cool userbox which you can add to your page using the code below:

This user is a member of
WikiProject Parliamentary Procedure.

{{User:UBX/WikiProject Parliamentary Procedure}}

Obuibo Mbstpo (talk) 22:33, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Request for your comment

Here! :^)  $\sim$ Justmeherenow (  ) 23:47, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for responding, J. J. in PA. I'm asking for your expertise -- or at least input, lol -- on how we might operate procedurally since what we're contemplating is sort of new ground.  $\sim$ Justmeherenow (  ) 00:35, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Much thanks!  $\sim$ Justmeherenow (  ) 01:34, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks so much, J. This is what I have so far --

This page will have an advisory council, whose membership would be decided upon by consensus of contributors on this page, with non-members of the council able to forward a motion through one of its members, providing they find one willing to give it voice. The council itself would agree to its operational guidelines (setting a certain number as a quorum, etc.); while any one of its members would be allowed to offer spur-of-the-moment moderation of general contributors' activities, accompanying by that member's being empowered to threaten sanction -- however the member would limit the excercise of his discretionary powers to a standard s/he believes to be "snowballs" of the commitee at large.

Any feedback yet? (Although I know this question's premature.)  $\sim$ Justmeherenow (  ) 02:24, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, J.! (P/s My developing Proposal No. 1 is here.)  $\sim$ Justmeherenow (  ) 04:17, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, J. J., and should you find yourself prodded by inspirations of a critique you'd feel appropriate to post in the section of the proposal on the article's talkpage, we'd be very appreciative, too.  $\sim$ Justmeherenow (  ) 09:31, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

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