Talk:St Matthew's Church, Burnley

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Did you know... that St Matthew's Church in Burnley, Lancashire, England, was rebuilt after it burnt down on Christmas Day in 1927?

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Change the title?

I have expanded the article to show more of its association with Holy Trinity. I am not sure that "St Matthew's with Holy Trinity" is a suitable alternative name, as this really refers to the parish/benefice rather than to the church itself, which is the subject of the article. And there is a separate article on Holy Trinity, which rather confuses the issue. In fact the official name of the church according to the CoE website here is St Matthew the Apostle, Habergham Eaves. I propose moving the title of the article to "Church of St Matthew the Apostle, Habergham Eaves", and removing "St Matthew's with Holy Trinity". Is that reasonable and acceptable? --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 12:40, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:25, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have strong feelings on the subject but [1] "St Matthew's with Holy Trinity is an Anglican Parish Church" & [2] "St Matthew's with Holy Trinity is an Anglican or 'Church of England' church in the south of Burnley" both suggest that is its current name. It is close enough to me that I could just check the sign? Also I'm fairly positive that Habergham Eaves in this case refers to the (ecclesiastical) parish, it certainly isn't in the modern Habergham Eaves.--Trappedinburnley (talk) 14:40, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Shameless WP:OR! ( although perhaps you could take a picture while you're there?) Quite agree that whatever it calls itself should guide any rename. Martinevans123 (talk)

No photo but the sign says "The parish church of St. Matthew", and it certainly is in Burnley (since 1894). Which means that I don't think that the title needs to be changed. What, if any alternative names are required?

I've been playing around with the parish finder on a church near you. It has allowed me to compare the parish boundaries with old and new Habergham Eaves. This didn't produce much except to say that covers Holy Trinity and has been altered since the M65 was built (1980). It did lead me to the titles of some of the other entries: St Andrew's is St Andrew w St Margaret and St James, Burnley and All Saints (which links to Gawthorpe Hall, and would make a lovely article) is All Saints w St John the Baptist, Burnley West, Burnley west being the Parish Name. And Vision of Britain has an parish entry for Habergham Eaves St Matthew the Apostle from 1880. You could argue for St Matthew the Apostle as a further additional name.--Trappedinburnley (talk) 20:12, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Having taken account of the above, and given more thought, I suggest we leave the title as it is; I guess this is what the locals call it, and WP generally prefers the commonly used names for titles. Then, rather than clutter up the first sentence with alternative names, I will add these as a footnote. See if this works when I have done it; if it doesn't, it can always be reverted. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 12:07, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]