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A fact from St Cynhaearn's Church, Ynyscynhaearn appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 8 August 2010 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that St Cynhaearn's Church, Ynyscynhaearn, in Gwynedd, Wales (pictured), is located in an isolated position on a former island in a lake, and is approached by an ancient causeway?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2010/August.

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This site says: "The churchyard uniquely includes the grave of a black man who lived out his days in Georgian Wales." I'm not sure of its uniqueness, but it's certainly interesting given its relative remoteness. There is more information here. Should the article refer to it? Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:10, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I saw that on the Friends' website, but was not sure how to express it in WP terms. The BBC Wales link does expand it. But I have a little difficulty with the reliability of that particular source; it says "Dafydd y Garreg Wen (David of the White Rock) is also buried there". If Wikipedia is reliable, Dafydd y Garreg Wen is a Welsh air written by David Owen of Ynyscynhaearn. I guess there is a good chance that David Owen is buried in the churchyard, but that is not what this source says. It also says the church fell down in the 1830s and was replaced — how come then that parts of it date from the 12th, 16th and 17th centuries (according to the Cadw source Historic Wales)? There must be better sources about the black slave boy, don't you think? --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:18, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The grave of David Owen is shown here, and that of "Jac Blac Ystumllyn" is here. But I'll leave it up to you, whether to include these in the article or not. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:08, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that. Jac sounds an interesting person, and maybe worth an article if good sources are available. Was he "unique" in Wales? I think I will leave this article as it is unless better sources appear.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 15:26, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Some more details here, here, here and here - probably all traceable back to the 1888 book mentioned in the last of those. There is a little information on the house - Ystumllyn - here. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:18, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There's another book — by Robert Isaac Jones from 1966 here. When someone can get a look at this ... --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 17:56, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Typo?

Quoting the article: "An earlier grave records the early passing of David Owen, a local harpist who was known as "Dafydd y Garreg Wen" of David of the White Rock as he came from White Rock farm."

I think this is meant to be: "An earlier grave records the early passing of David Owen, a local harpist who was known as "Dafydd y Garreg Wen", OR David of the White Rock, as he came from White Rock farm."

Thanks for the article. Another place I would like to see but probably won't. Wanderer57 (talk) 13:31, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done The name origin is hardly notable. People all over rural Wales are typically known by the name of their residence, in both Welsh and English, using surname or forename, se.g. Jones Wern Ddu, Evans the Mill, John the Cwm, Tom Tynllan, etc etc. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:59, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]