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A fact from Springburn Winter Gardens appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 21 January 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Springburn Winter Gardens, the largest single-span glasshouse in Scotland, has been derelict since 1983?

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 01:40, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The derelict Springburn Winter Gardens in Glasgow, 2014

... that Glasgow's Springburn Winter Gardens, built in 1900, is the largest single-span glasshouse in Scotland, but has been derelict since 1983? Source: ^[1]
- ALT1: ... that Cuningham House at Christchurch Botanic Gardens in New Zealand, built in 1923, is a replica of it? Source: ^[2]
- Comment: New article created with some interesting facts that might help promote interest in saving this historic building from ruin

Created by Ldopa (talk). Self-nominated at 05:05, 7 January 2022 (UTC).[reply]

A quick comment: References need proper formatting. An infobox would be nice. Regards--Chanaka L (talk) 05:13, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: ALT1 does not make sense, as it assumes the reader knows 'it' refers to Springburn Winter Gardens. I've rephrased it as ALT2, though I'd suggest trimming the parenthetical 'built in 1923' as well. Mind matrix 15:09, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: that Cuningham House at Christchurch Botanic Gardens in New Zealand, built in 1923, is a replica of Springburn Winter Gardens in Glasgow?
Will review Bruxton (talk) 17:49, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I like ATL0 as it is succinct, verifiable, and peaks interest. New enough, long enough. Regarding the references, the format is not correct and some parts are unreferenced, like paragraph one of the History section. Paragraph two is also not supported by reference.(See Ref 2) dead link? I did find this for "buildings at risk" but the information in the second paragraph is not entirely in this reference. I cannot look for copyright problems when two whole paragraphs are unreferenced. I believe the photograph is freely licensed (Creative Commons Attribution Share-alike license 2.0) and clear. Bruxton (talk) 18:25, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately the link to Historic Environment Scotland is down for essential maintenance but a similar reference can be found here: [1] there is also a reference for the first paragraph here [2]. Unfortunately I'm not sure how best to format the references as I already thought the format used was suitable. Ldopa — Preceding undated comment added 00:58, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

History section - the references do not support the text in all three paragraphs of the history section. One link is still dead also so verification is not possible. Bruxton (talk) 17:17, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have recovered the reference via the Wayback Machine while the website is down for maintenance and reformatted the citations accordingly [3] Ldopa (talk) 03:18, 9 January 2022 (GMT)

Thank you @Ldopa: We are close, there is one sentence unreferenced in paragraph 2 history - and the entirety of paragraph one history. I cannot see how the reference after paragraph one history is supporting any of the text above. I dd format three of the references, and tagged the 2 spots that need attention. And then finished we can likely close this one. Cheers. Bruxton (talk) 04:55, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you @Bruxton: for assistance with reference formatting and identifying the gaps. I have found the Glasgow City Council Park Heritage Trail which contains references to the contractors for the building as well as the dates of the land being acquired etc which covers all the detail still requiring a reference. I have added this to the page thus: ^[3]Ldopa (talk) 02:59, 10 January 2022 (GMT)

I erased the unsupported text in paragraph one of history. It was very specific yet nowhere in the references. The parts lacking reference, have ether been referenced or erased. I think we are ready. Bruxton (talk) 03:05, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Ambitious £8.1m plans to transform derelict Springburn Winter Gardens". Glasgow Times. 12 October 2020. Retrieved 7 January 2022.
^ "Glasgow's special link to Christchurch: Springburn Winter Gardens and Cuningham House". Glasgow Times. 26 December 2020. Retrieved 7 January 2022.
^ "Springburn Park Heritage Trail". Glasgow City Council. Glasgow City Council. Retrieved 10 January 2022.

Modified ALT0 to T:DYK/P5 without image

[1] "Ambitious £8.1m plans to transform derelict Springburn Winter Gardens". Glasgow Times. 12 October 2020. Retrieved 7 January 2022.

[2] "Glasgow's special link to Christchurch: Springburn Winter Gardens and Cuningham House". Glasgow Times. 26 December 2020. Retrieved 7 January 2022.

[Springburn_Park_Heritage_Trail-3] "Springburn Park Heritage Trail". Glasgow City Council. Glasgow City Council. Retrieved 10 January 2022.

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