Talk:Southern Italy

The "least four" regions?

In what way are these regions the "least" of Italy? I think that should be clarified. -- Andrew Parodi 05:36, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I think you misunderstand what "at least" means. It is not saying the regions are "lesser" than other parts of Italy, of course not. I'd personally take offence to such a statement since my mom's family are Abruzzese. It is merely saying that the term "Mezzogiorno" definitely contains the four regions of Basilicata, Calabria, Campania and Puglia and, somewhat arguably, other regions like Sicily, Molise, etc. (although the large majority clearly consider the other regions part of the mezzogiorno). Hope this clarifies things, ciao. Epf 18:48, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh, thanks. I misread that. -- Andrew Parodi 23:17, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

You should back-up what you refer to as the 'Mezzogiorno Problem', whether it's something 'you're saying' or not. Sounds like an extended agenda tacked onto what is, ultimately, an article about an idiomatic term.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.188.46.25 (talk) 12:56, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Further Reading

These books were listed as Amazon links. If they are useul, they can be reinstated using the the normal neutral citation mechanisms

• Between Salt Water and Holy Water: A History of Southern Italy by Tommaso Astarita
• The Italians by Luigi Barzini

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian Spackman (talk • contribs) 09:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

error

ISTAT lists Sicily and Sardinia as Insular Italy.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.0.24.231 (talk) 9:39, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

i forget the name of this movie..

Its set in Southern Italy during world war two, about a young guy who falls in love with a girl from northern Italy. My teacher(who was ethnically Italian himself) in junior high showed us this movie along with "Life is Beautiful". My teacher was the first person to bring up this issue of the differences between the Italians in the north/south.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.146.26.199 (talk) 5:48, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Lowercase or uppercase?

Hi, I recently edited this article, but I have a big doubt: is it spelled "Southern Italy" or "southern Italy"? The same goes for the "Northern Italy" page; should it be spelled "Northern Italy" or "northern Italy"? I reverting my changes on this page, waiting for a discussion on this topic (the article on Northern Italy spells "Northern" (in capital letters), while the article on Southern Italy spells "southern" (in lowercase). The time has come to decide what to do. Thanks in advance. JackkBrown (talk) 01:10, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Southern Italy is not a formally defined official geo-political area. It is a descriptive name for that part of the country in the south. While it has sometimes been common to capitalise compass points, per MOS:COMPASS, we don't do that here as a matter of course. Capitalisation is governed by MOS:CAPS, which states: ... only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia. This ngram for southern Italy and this ngram for northern Italy show that neither term is consistently capitalised in sources. Consequently, the terms should not be capitalised in Wiki articles. I would be reasonably certain that there will be other such instances of miscapitalisation in Wiki that also need to be corrected. Cinderella157 (talk) 03:45, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

@Cinderella157: there are three articles to correct: Central Italy, Southern Italy and Northern Italy. Before we edit these three pages, or before you or someone else edits them, we have to be 100% sure; for this I need other opinions (your opinion is, of course, important, but not sufficient). JackkBrown (talk) 11:25, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Notified WT:MOSCAPS. Cinderella157 (talk) 13:14, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

N-grams shows lowercase northern and southern dominate before Italy. So yes I'd support fixing over-capped uses. Dicklyon (talk) 05:43, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

@Dicklyon: I recently (today) edited the Northern Italy page by writing "Northern" of "Northern Italy" in lowercase where the initial letter of this word was capitalised. JackkBrown (talk) 16:27, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that. Dicklyon (talk) 06:46, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Some multi-ngrams: [1][2]. Lowercase clearly dominates. Contrast this with N/S California results: [3][4]. Not sure why some of these terms are more often capitalized and others usually lower-case.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:52, 21 January 2024 (UTC)