Talk:Shizuka (band)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Question regarding TRANSviada's language skills and other issues.

This is Evelyn Huang, who did the interview with Shizuka in Tokyo, which resulted in an article written in Chinese published in the long-defunct Rocker magazine (Taiwan). I have had extensive conversations with TRANSviada on SoundCloud and Twitter. Judging from my conversations with her, she knows neither Japanese nor Chinese, which raises doubt about how she read my article and accessed Japanese-language sources. Frankly speaking, as the author of the interview article which is heavily referenced here, I do not want to be responsible for any factual errors that may have made their way into this entry due to TRANSviada's lack of skills in Chinese and Japanese. If you need proof of TRANSviada's lack of Chinese and Japanese language skills, I can provide a screenshot of our conversation on Twitter.

TRANSviada also linked to my Twitter account, which I consider inappropriate because it is my social media account with content pertaining to my personal life.

Therefore, I hereby request that anything related to my article and Twitter account be removed. If you want to confirm my identity, feel free to contact me on Twitter.

Evelyn1334 (talk) 01:55, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Corrections in the section 1995–1997: Lineup changes, and American tour

In this section, TRANSviada wrote "I/we" and "I was/we were", but in the original Chinese text, I consistently used 我們, which is equivalent to the English "we". This made me further doubt how TRANSviada read my Chinese article. If she used machine translations, then it failed at distinguishing between the single and the plural in Chinese. If she enlisted someone who knows Chinese to read the article, then their Chinese language skills are obviously incompetent. Thus I made an edit to correct the erroneous translation.

Evelyn1334 (talk) 05:11, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Deleted links to external references in Japanese and Chinese

I deleted all external references in Japanese and Chinese aside from links to PSF Records as the author has failed to demonstrate her competence in either language, raising doubt about the correctness of her reading of those references. I will leave it to the author to find references in languages she is capable of to back up any unverified statement.

Evelyn1334 (talk) 21:23, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

The major edits by the user Evelyn1334 in Shizuka (band) were reverted because they do not improve the article, they were destructive, and there was no consensus for those edits. After, the links to Evelyn1334's twitter account in name fields of citation templates were deleted as requested by that user.

The translation of Chinese: 最接近天國的異界之音──靜香, the only referenced source in the Chinese language in Shizuka (band), to English was first made through machine translation by Google Translate and Deepl Translator, and later a native Chinese professional human translator manually translated it to English. In comparison, the manual translation is ~98–99% the same in meaning to the one made by machine translators, and the same to what was already covered in Shizuka (band) referencing the only source in Chinese. Likewise, the machine translation is close in quality to the manual translation. As so, there were few to no changes to Shizuka (band) in relation to references to Chinese: 最接近天國的異界之音──靜香, including direct citations from Shizuka Miura and Maki Miura's answers in the interview. Due to a minor human error (neither from nor caused by the manual translation) a minor issue was left, which the user Evelyn1334 fixed in an edit. Did the user Evelyn1334 find another objective issue in which the article can be improved? If yes, which is the respective proposed improvement by that user?

In Japanese, there are 5 referenced sources in Shizuka (band). 3 of those references are archived pages from PSF's catalog used to state the existence of Shizuka's releases, their dates of release, and credited members. The 2 remaining references from sources in Japanese are for a minor note about Katan Amano's death which states the cause and date of Katan's death, and Katan's age when Katan died. Did the user Evelyn1334 find an objective issue in this minor statement using those 2 sources in Japanese? If yes, which is the respective proposed improvement by that user?

Talk pages on Wikipedia are used for discussing improvements to the article. Talk pages are not for general discussion or questions regarding its article's subject or unrelated subjects (including ad hominem; WP:NPA), in which case can be changed or removed from the talk page to maintain its objective.

talk@TRANSviada 17:04, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Objections to the reversion of my edits

TRANSviada evaded my question in regard to her Japanese-language skills and reverted my edits. Based on my conversations with her -- allow me to repeat -- she has no knowledge of Japanese whatsoever and accessed every single Japanese-language source relying on machine translations, which are not known to be reliable. This is not an "ad hominem" attack but merely a matter of fact. If you want to reference an external source, at least you have to possess adequate knowledge of the language in which the source is written; otherwise you are violating basic research integrity. Moreover, TRANSviada's claim in regard to my interview article that "the manual translation is ~98–99% the same in meaning to the one made by machine translators" is dubious and requires proof. In my experience, Chinese-to-English machine translations are usually a mess as all of the characters are put together with nothing to separate words from words. Also, the point about "consensus" seems valid but is actually moot in this context as TRANSviada, as far as I know, is the sole author of this article and basically holds veto power. If she insists on keeping the article as is, there is nothing I can do and I have neither the time nor energy to do more edits anyway. That said, I do have to advise the readers to take this article with a huge grain of salt.

Evelyn1334 (talk) 17:33, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

user:TRANSviada is following the objective of Talk Pages on Wikipedia, which is to discuss improvements to the respective article, i.e. user:TRANSviada is following the rules and guidelines of Wikipedia. Talk pages are not for general discussion or questions regarding its article's subject or unrelated subjects; Wikipedia is not a forum for unregulated discussion. Discussion and questions that are NOT related to objective improvements to the article can be changed and removed to maintain the objective of the talk page. Did the user Evelyn1334 find an objective issue in which the article can be improved? If yes, which is the respective proposed improvement by that user?

As already stated, the major edits by the user Evelyn1334 in Shizuka (band) were reverted because they do not improve the article, they were destructive, and there was no consensus for those edits. After, the links to Evelyn1334's twitter account in name fields of citation templates were deleted as requested by that user.

As already stated, a native Chinese professional human translator manually translated Chinese: 最接近天國的異界之音──靜香 from Traditional Chinese to English, and user:TRANSviada has access to this manual translation of Chinese: 最接近天國的異界之音──靜香.

In Japanese, there are 5 referenced sources in Shizuka (band). 3 of those references are archived pages from PSF's catalog used to state the existence of Shizuka's releases, their dates of release, and credited members. The 2 remaining references from sources in Japanese are for a minor note about Katan Amano's death which states the cause and date of Katan's death, and Katan's age when Katan died. Did the user Evelyn1334 find an objective issue in this minor statement using those 2 sources in Japanese? If yes, which is the respective proposed improvement by that user?

From the 4 sections with roughly 600 words that the user Evelyn1334 made in this talk page, one (#Corrections in the section 1995–1997: Lineup changes, and American tour) was to discuss an objective improvement related to an objective minor issue caused by human error (neither from nor caused by the manual translation) which was fixed in a minor edit. As so, did the user Evelyn1334 found another objective issue in which Shizuka (band) can be improved? If yes, which is the respective proposed improvement by that user?

talk@TRANSviada 21:02, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

You are very fluent in Wikipedianese. That I am sure.

Evelyn1334 (talk) 22:26, 18 January 2021 (UTC)