Talk:Shane Bugbee

Article Revamp

The article has been significantly modified given the concerns, comments, and facts that came to light during the AfD discussion. Please do not revert or re-enter deleted parts of this article without discussion. Detruncate 23:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I added "Dana Plato of Diff'rent Strokes fame who later made bi-sexual porn films". This is a hard fact and is of encyclopedic value because the external links all mention Plato's porn career in realtion to Bugbee. 617USA

I reverted the page back to the previous version by SarekofVulcan, as IP 70.100.87.53 added everything in that had been excised after the AfD. Do not add in previously deleted material again without offering sufficient explanation on the talk page. Detruncate 15:51, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I have reverted this entry back to my last edit which includes a more complete list of Shane Bugbee's releases and works. Please stop this ridiculous behavoir of removing and slandering Shane Bugbee, you only continue to make yourselves look foolish and petty. Amy bugbee sept. 20, 06

Thank you for using the discussion page. However, article information needs to meet some standards. It has to be reliably sourced and notable. For instance, there is no evidence whatsoever that Mr. Bugbee had anything to do with a 'A question of doubt.' Furthermore, there is no evidence that he manned an underground press tent or that there even was an underground press tent at the first Lollapalooza. These are just a few examples. The article is literally filled with more of the same. Self publishing is almost always non-notable, and that makes up the bulk of his accomplishments. Given that he's likely not even notable enough to have a wikipedia article, continually adding in self promotional material only increases the chances that the article will be deleted. Please refer to the deletion vote archive (top of the page) for more information on why the current version is preferred. --Detruncate 14:18, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

SELF PUBLISHING???? Shane Bugbee has published underground cartoonist Mike Diana, Randall Phillip, Al Frank, among others, not to mention he put out the Dorothea Puente cookbook, all of these things are documentable and noteable. While I can understand your desire to remove "Self Promotion", and I am certainy willing to play by those rules, Mr. Bugbee is at least as noteable as many of the "transgressive artists" listed, as much as Randall Phillip, Jim Goad and Mike Diana who all have entries. Certainly the publisher is as important as the artists he published, and beyond that, he has been recognized in numerous magazine and newspaper articles. If Shane Bugbee is not noteable enough, then many of the people and things listed on wikipedia should not be. I would also like to point out that most of the living artists that are on wikipedia, all have links to their personal websites. Please stop eliminating his very large list of releases, Answer Me and Might Is Right are but two in a long career of work. I will avoid adding overzealous promotion, but facts are real, and documentable. [User: Amy Bugbee], Sept 22, 06

Thanks again for using the discussion page before initiating large scale changes to the article. Your point about publishing is a good one, but the issue here is the breadth of the publishing. Paying to have the works of others printed up is not really notable unless they are integrated somehow into a distribution network. For instance the 'Cooking with a Serial Killer Recipes From Dorothea Puente' appears and is availible on amazon.com so it would probably be fair to have it listed in the article. Possible the Dana Plato's last breath cd as well, though that's more questionable as it's not availible currently and was of limited distribution to begin with. Anything that can be verified from a source that is itself notable can be reasonably included within the article. Detruncate 22:44, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I have tidied the article up a bit by correcting some minor grammar and removing some non-notable, unsourced info. I have also now updated to reflect the true status of the association with Dana Plato. I am wondering if an article is even appropriate for this person; I have doubts he is considered noteworthy enough. He also seems to be simply using the link to this article on his website(s), perhaps to make it look as if someone else has written an article about him and that he is "famous". Edited to add: I have now read the deletion discussion. [User:porpita]5 November 2006

Again, Shane Bugbee's ownership of Radio Free Satan has been taken out. Also, there is a full chapter on him in the book 'Art That Kills' by George Petros talking about his importance to the transgressive art movement of the 80s and 90s. Why does that keep being removed? Shane Bugbee has not written any of this article. I, Amy Bugbee have, and have made no secret of the fact I am one of the authors, he is worthy of an entry not because I am his wife and think he's great, but because he has done a great deal for underground culture, the fight against censorship, and as a journalist. Amy Bugbee 12-6-06

Radio Free Satan is non-notable. Also, having a chapter in a book that is in of itself non-notable is not notable. Please refer to the appropriate wikipedia policies if you have any further inquries. Don't add non-notable unsourced information. Detruncate 00:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it seems to me he is promoting himself. He isn' t famous or notable for wikipedia Spt 23 2009

Uh no it's a person of public interest that has relevancy to the modern world at large and who has spoken to or with many famous and infamous! Edited to clarify and to create a more expanded article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shanebug9 (talk • contribs) 04:39, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

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help with editing slanderous and out of context additions.

wikipedia

This user Shanebug9 edited the page in a malicious way. I suspect they are a person I had to ask to leave a creative project.

While I’m not up on the rules of editing wikipedia, I do know the edits that user has made as out of context, some changes are linked to articles that don’t even mention me and are slanderous.

The link below looks to be the last edit that wasn’t made by that person.

Special:Permalink/871487899

I wonder does wikipedia check the source articles? If so, they haven’t on these changes… most are sourced but no where in the source article does it mention the changes made by Shanebug9 .

examples:

FROM Shanebug9 EDITED WIKI: “Bugbee was born in Lubbock, Texas and by his own admission grew up very poor and moved house to house, eventually settling in Chicagowith his family sharing an apartment with a black family. Being a complete attention seeking terror most of his young life, he dropped out of school at age 14 and has an admitted distrust of computers, believing them to be elitist.”

CORRECTION: Most of this sentence is incorrect and not in the sited article. My family never settled in Chicago, or lived with a black family. I however did eventually become a runaway from my suburban home, lived on the streets of Chicago and I was taken in by a family of color.

I’m not sure I was an attention seeking terror, but I’m certain that isn’t in the article used as a source.

I dropped out of school at 16, I was also one of the first podcasters, first to use youtube and first publisher to jump to print on demand, so that would be in factual contrast to what is sited in the above sentence.

 Done: Material indeed unsupported by the source. Removed entirely. Demko 2007 supports some of the above, but someone else can deal with that. Uncle G (talk) 05:47, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

FROM Shanebug9 EDITED WIKI: There is a section that speaks of my spouse and says we are divorced.

CORRECTION: We are not, we are separated and going through a divorce… there is no source for that misinformation sited, of course there wouldn’t be.

 Not done A later source cited says "This podcast was born out of an ugly, abusive, dysfunctional divorce.". Article needs clarification on that basis. Uncle G (talk) 05:47, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

FROM Shanebug9 EDITED WIKI: “In 1992 Bugbee became an agent of Serial Killer John Wayne Gacy art to gain more attention and accolades, eventually publishing Gacy's bio "A Question of Doubt".[5] “

CORRECTION: A part of the above is blatantly wrong, I never, ever said that nor has it been said about me. “to gain more attention and accolades” Is misinfo and no where is this stated in the sourced article

 Not done It's not currently stated by this article, either. Uncle G (talk) 05:47, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

FROM Shanebug9 EDITED WIKI: Bugbee met his now ex-wife Amy through Genesis P. Orridge and Clive Barker in 1994 at the Goat Gallery, and the two married in 1996.[6]

CORRECTION: Again, this is partial miss-information. I never met my wife through Amy through Genesis P. Orridge and Clive Barker  and this again, is nowhere in the source piece. I did meet her at goat gallery.

 Done: Indeed, the source does not support this. Removed. Uncle G (talk) 05:47, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

FROM Shanebug9 EDITED WIKI: Starting in 2001, he organized and extensively promoted a new tour entitled "The Angry White Men" tour.[3]

CORRECTION: Slight error, it was MALE not MEN. The Angry White Male tour.

 Done: Indeed, the source says Male not Men. Corrected. Uncle G (talk) 05:47, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

FROM Shanebug9 EDITED WIKI: He self-promoted the tour with the press release reading "If the Confederate flag doesn't infuriate you, perhaps the pornography will. If the pornography doesn't do it, perhaps Answer Me! #4, "the Rape Issue with the Limited Edition Rape Board Game," will do it. If the rape issue doesn't incite you, perhaps the presence of special guest Jim Goad, convicted woman beater, will." Jim Goad left the tour halfway through following a business dispute[12]  and for the statements made by Bugbee proclaiming "Working-class white men have become the most despised group in America."[13]

CORRECTION: Again, nowhere in the source linked does this info appear. It does appear in a sited article, but it’s not a quote from me or my prerelease, it is from the journalist.

Also in this paragraph, they quote the journalist, out of context to state that I said "Working-class white men have become the most despised group in America." When I DID NOT, the journalist did.

Jim Goad did leave the tour based on a disagreement, but it wasn’t the above quote.

 Done: Indeed, the source has been misrepresented; and the other stuff was woefully inadequately sourced. Removed. Uncle G (talk) 05:47, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

FROM Shanebug9 EDITED WIKI: Bugbee created his own blueberry soda pop, Ely Soda.[14] The popularity of the soda led to wider revelation of Bugbee's other entrepreneurial and artistic endeavors, eventually ending in the typical controversy and exile, with Bugbee claiming he had done nothing to deserve any of it. [15]

CORRECTION: “the typical controversy” as a person who has suffered much for my art, “typical controversy” seems like an odd opinion that boarders on bias rather than information.

 Not done Not actually in the article at present. Uncle G (talk) 05:47, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

FROM Shanebug9 EDITED WIKI: Bugbee turned his attention to environmental and political concerns, with the Angry White Men tour he started his new path of political activism and fighting for the working class, stating "I see my people as being working class. Blue collar. My teeth rot at the same rate as the black man living next store. We both don't have any insurance. We're all niggers. We're all slaves in this world. We all have to trade five days for two. Most people get the joke. Maybe if they hear us say things that are taboo, it will inspire them to say, No man, I'm not working for $5 an hour."[3] The Angry White Male tour was received with mixed reviews, and led to the creation of the The Northwest Club Coalition chaired by author Cristien Storm and supported by North Atlantic Books to fight against the White Nationalist the tour was drawing.[16] Bugbee was a winner in the Willie Nelson peaceful solution video contest.[17] From Nov. 4 2007 until Nov. 5, 2008 Bugbee embarked on a year long road trip called A Year At The Wheel [18] covering art, politics, religion and revolution which culminated into a book and documentary release [4].

QUESTION: Is a biased blog post a legit source for wikipedia? I do not endorse white nationalism or any nationalism, nor did my company.

 Not done Present article says nothing about anyone endorsing nationalism. Uncle G (talk) 05:47, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

FROM Shanebug9 EDITED WIKI: Bugbee talked to many along the way from small town workers to Timothy Wyllie of the Process Church of the Final Judgment[19] settled in a small beach town in 2008 int he southeast corner of Washington state after the road trip. Shortly after arriving he began using sculpture as a medium of expression, producing dozens of works which have been exhibited in various shows. He was interviewed about his art in ArtSyncmagazine in 2011.[20] While running ArtSync, he started the imprint Young American Films that featured interviewed many artists, including Dagon from the black metal band Inquisition with topics ranging from symbolic uses of World War II imagery, artistic expression, free speech absolutism, and genocide.[21] and Nergal from Behemoth on the nature of Christianity and Catholicism in Poland.[22] he also interviewed Portland Artist Jesse Reno on art, dangerous art, censorship, and how one would define art. [23] Later the title would change to "What is Art?" inspired by the essay by Leo Tolstoy which tackled the subject of art, artists, and censorship.[24]

CORRECTION:

The below quote is odd or out of contexts and mostly untrue I never ran ArtSync, it is a magazine interview I did. I never started an imprint called Young American Films.

“While running ArtSync, he started the imprint Young American Films that featured interviewed many artists, including Dagon from the black metal band Inquisition with topics ranging from symbolic uses of World War II imagery, artistic expression, free speech absolutism, and genocide.[21]”

 Done: Only one claim supported by the source. Removed all others. Uncle G (talk) 05:47, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

CORRECTION:

From the same larger paragraph, the below paragraph is out of context and includes miss information… I have never read or been influenced by Leo Tolstoy - There is NO link to any source that says I am. I’d say slanderous.

he also interviewed Portland Artist Jesse Reno on art, dangerous art, censorship, and how one would define art. [23] Later the title would change to "What is Art?" inspired by the essay by Leo Tolstoy which tackled the subject of art, artists, and censorship.[24]

 Done: Not supported by source cited. Removed. Uncle G (talk) 05:47, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

FROM Shanebug9 EDITED WIKI: In October 2015, Bugbee with fellow artist and friend Dave Archer, did a show at AFRU Gallery in Portland, the exhibit titled "Black Magic House Blessings and Fukushima Death Curses" featuring his sculptures and Dave Archer's wood burnings. It received favorable reviews in local press.[30] In 2018, he started a new Podcast entitled "Love, Loss, and Despair",[31] addressing among other things his recent divorce, the publishing of Might is Right, his first encounters and meeting with Katja Lane wife of White Nationalist David Lane, the failure of "A Year at The Wheel" to lock-in a final edit, his rivalry with artist Steven Johnson Leyba, and his admission into the Church of Satan.

CORRECTION: This paragraph links to my podcast as a source but nowhere in my podcast do I speak of being divorced. I am not at this moment.

 Not done The source cited says "This podcast was born out of an ugly, abusive, dysfunctional divorce.". Article needs clarification on that basis. Uncle G (talk) 05:47, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

FROM Shanebug9 EDITED WIKI: He is currently in the process of creating a new podcast, as well as maintaining an Etsy shop with satirical screen prints mocking popular brands such as Nike.[32]

CORRECTION: I don’t have an etsy account.

 Not done Present article says nothing about Etsy. Uncle G (talk) 05:47, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Shanebugbee312 (talk • contribs) 23:51, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

I have soft blocked both accounts to protect Shane Bugbee against impersonation. Please follow the instructions on your user talk page.

In the meantime, I have alerted Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard about the concerns expressed. --kingboyk (talk) 07:03, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion

Much of this article is heresay and is either linked to information from the subject or the subjects website and podcasts. There seems to exist a lot of contradicting information in the subjects statements and even the connection to Gacy cannot be proven as he is not listed as a publisher on the first edition and the article linked merely describes him as a collector and reseller of art.

Short of anyone in the Satanic Temple confirming his involvement we are forced to rely on the subjects word. I firmly believe this article is for self promotion and doesn't rely on proper sources. The few third party sources have been argued by the purported subject as not being reliable or out of context. The subjects Twitter page has also called for individuals to add or edit the article to "remove falsehoods".

Submitting these concerns to Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard as well.

What to keep

I'm kind of at a loss for what actually should remain in this article. Outside of the lead, it all seems pointless. Beach drifter (talk) 04:36, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

page protection

Due to the BLP issues discussed at BLPN and on this talk page, I've protected the article. Any negative BLP content requires high quality sources and should be discussed beforehand. Content must clearly represent that information in the sources. If the subject or his representatives feel there are any problems, they should post a thread at WP:BLPN.-- Deepfriedokra 22:23, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

inaccuracies and damaging presentation.

greetings.

I really do hate to bother you all. it seems I have to when I hear from others that what they are reading on wiki, out of context, is damaging my relations.

I have to ask why an entire section is titled ANGRY WHITE MALE TOUR and then goes on to combine tours and times. The original wiki, prior to the vandalization in mid 2019 might be a good place to consult.

the first sentence under the ANGRY WHITE MALE TOUR "Bugbee turned his attention to environmental and political concerns with the Angry White Male tour." Was, prior to the vandalization, Bugbee turned his attention to environmental and political concerns with A Year at the Wheel project. The Internet Archive requested and accepted and created a collection for the A Year at the Wheel project. ( https://archive.org/details/ayearatthewheel )

THE ANGRY WHITE MALE TOUR took place in 2001. ( https://books.google.com/books?id=PCPpNtEu0GgC&pg=PA115&lpg=PA115&dq=angry+white+male+tour,+mike+hunt&source=bl&ots=Vcm5GkxmCh&sig=ACfU3U3yDZZZ8mOUluT9EBUANeyrnHh-6g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjgk4_0_9DpAhVQSq0KHVCAA_4Q6AEwAnoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=angry%20white%20male%20tour%2C%20mike%20hunt&f=false )

the very bottom of that same ANGRY WHITE MALE TOUR section is a paragraph that is inaccurate.

In 2018 I started a podcast titled: ART DROP RADIO ( https://anchor.fm/shanebugbee ) featuring interviews with Original Geto Boy Bushwick Bill and the art and activist collective Indecline. I did not start a podcast titles love and loss. That is part of a name of a book I did, that book is spoke of here: ( https://theaither.com/2019/07/14/culture-talk-shane-bugbee-discusses-satanism-his-latest-books-new-podcast-and-the-upcoming-days-of-rage-part-2-event/ )

the following paragraph is very inaccurate

" addressing among other things his recent divorce, the publishing of Might is Right, his first encounters and meeting with Katja Lane wife of White Nationalist David Lane, the failure of "A Year at The Wheel" to lock-in a final edit, his rivalry with artist Steven Johnson Leyba, and his admission into the Church of Satan."

It seems to be speaking of a podcast I've done that speaks of my past, an audio apologia of sorts called: SPEAK OF THE DEVIL POD ( https://speakofthedevilpod.podbean.com/ ) - I do not speak of the artist Johnson Leyba nor do I have any issues with that artist.

MEDIA APPEARANCE section: I'm not sure why my speaking at harvard is listed there. I have spoke at Harvard, twice, but it wasn't a media appearance.

There is much missing some of actual historic relevance... one of the many things I love about wikipedia and the internet archive is the idea that the rewriting of history is not as easy as it once was.

I will look into understanding and adding to the conflict of interest section BUT one item I find suspiciously removed from my wiki is my association with the founding of The Satanic Temple... I was ignored when it came to do the documentary on that group and noticed their attempt to scrub me from their history all over the net, I would imagine it is because my side of that story would damage their creation myth... I will add some links below.

thank you very much for your hard work and dedication as well as any help or advice you might be able to offer me for these issues. - Shane Bugbee Shane m bugbee (talk) 08:00, 26 May 2020 (UTC) Shane m bugbee (talk) 08:00, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

https://www.churchofsatan.com/the-satanic-temple-fact-sheet/

https://luciengreaves.com/correcting-the-church-of-satan-fact-sheet/

https://theaither.com/2019/07/14/culture-talk-shane-bugbee-discusses-satanism-his-latest-books-new-podcast-and-the-upcoming-days-of-rage-part-2-event/

https://www.villagevoice.com/2014/07/22/trolling-hell-is-the-satanic-temple-a-prank-the-start-of-a-new-religious-movement-or-both/

https://books.google.com/books?id=nt8zDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA551&lpg=PA551&dq=church+of+satan,+shane+bugbee&source=bl&ots=DE8xpozWMQ&sig=ACfU3U3iBGLnh6CjSgdU6mjImlDimXdXgw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwid-PCd-NDpAhUP16wKHW8vBwU4ChDoATAGegQIChAB#v=onepage&q=church%20of%20satan%2C%20shane%20bugbee&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=1SbwCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA84&lpg=PA84&dq=church+of+satan,+shane+bugbee&source=bl&ots=-4f7cyrYt1&sig=ACfU3U0FyIQYJZxBzE1nY2HUqSSVt_d2HQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwid-PCd-NDpAhUP16wKHW8vBwU4ChDoATAHegQICRAB#v=onepage&q=church%20of%20satan%2C%20shane%20bugbee&f=false

malicious & questionable

The following comment is bogus. there is no proof of a "Northwest Club Coalition". It is stated that it was started by a person with direct ties to the person whom I originally mentioned that I had fired & was adding bogus facts linked to articles that had no mention of me or those facts. It is petty, but with the political climate as it is, I'd like my history to be factual.

I started to do deep research on this claim because the mention here was the first time I had heard anything like it... and I keep up on my mentions & press & document & share all of my work & press, good or bad.

I find it incredible that folks are able to weaponize wikipedia like this.

thanks for any help you can offer.

"and led to the creation of The Northwest Club Coalition chaired by author Cristien Storm and supported by North Atlantic Books to fight against the White Nationalist the tour was drawing." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:4328:4490:4862:A0F:EF91:A237 (talk) 11:50, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Edit Request - remnants of the vandal still remain.

Greetings

I’ve been told I haven’t posted here correctly as to have my comments here seen by the moderators… of that posting this way, my comments might be seen by moderators. I was told this through email from wikipedia.

Ok…

This page was vandalized. I had pointed out that someone had rewritten the wiki with slanderous statements that linked to articles that had no mention of me or anything I’ve ever been involved with.

Some of the edits that person or persons made are still live and serve as a dog whistle that attempts to paint me as something I am not.

I really don’t mind my history written about if it is factual and not leading, like a header that states ANGRY WHITE MALE TOUR, but under the heading there is much more spoke about… the angry white make tour is such a small part of my history, but seems like one of the main things I have done AND it’s misinformation regarding the angry white male tour.

My speaking at Harvard has been minimized and added to the media section, it is not media, I was a speaker at Harvard. Not too many get to do that and as a person who dropped out at 16 and self-schooled, it is a major deal to me as well as important to those who see Harvard as important.

Being involved in the formation of the satanic temple has been removed totally.

https://books.google.com/books?id=1SbwCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA84&lpg=PA84&dq=satanic+temple,+shane+bugbee,+doug&source=bl&ots=-4fgeumQx_&sig=ACfU3U0olIDPdbsGJN5RII26VvH5EDRxgg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjp9Ki2rtvrAhVFC6wKHSeRA_o4MhDoATAJegQIBBAB#v=onepage&q=satanic%20temple%2C%20shane%20bugbee%2C%20doug&f=false

https://www.churchofsatan.com/sucker-born-every-millisecond/

--Shane m bugbee (talk) 06:36, 9 September 2020 (UTC) https://theaither.com/2019/07/14/culture-talk-shane-bugbee-discusses-satanism-his-latest-books-new-podcast-and-the-upcoming-days-of-rage-part-2-event/

https://www.themodernist.com/2020/03/04/shane-bugbee-on-the-joys-of-satanism-the-modernist-society-ep-4/

BIG issue I have is not only the odd angry white male as a header, it is a link to a blog that has written stuff that can not be verified outside of that blog. I have spent months researching the groups: “northwest club coalition” or ”The Young American tour”.

I suppose it’s possible someone could find something on them. I haven’t and the search has been immense.

I have written a response to these issues where I do mention the issues with my wiki and how you have helped me in the past.

That has been posted here:

https://medium.com/@shanebugbee/i-published-a-book-nazis-love-among-others-the-nuances-of-hate-4c21e8787d08

I also speak to the media issues that have arose as a direct result of the bad info on my wiki.

My point, wikipedia is being used to weaponize certain aspects of my history against me with lies and mis-info or incomplete and out of context information.

I’m not sure why these edits remain. I know who did this, they were a fan who was working with me on a project, they were asked to seek help through therapy and took this odd route.

My research indicates a few folks are helping my ex-helper. They are all tied to a politically active group.

Here are some examples of odd changes and mis-truths…

“Bugbee turned his attention to environmental and political concerns with the Angry White Male tour.” - I believe this sentence once ended with the “a year at the wheel project,” a project that was taken in by Brewster Kahle housed in its entirety at archive.org

https://archive.org/details/ayearatthewheel

http://www.seattlewrote.com/2013/03/seattle-authors-writing-about-year.html

https://www.prlog.org/12343378-archiveorg-now-home-to-huge-collection-of-raw-unapologetic-documentary-footage.html

“The tour was received with mixed reviews, and led to the creation of The Northwest Club Coalition chaired by author Cristien Storm and supported by North Atlantic Books to fight against the White Nationalist the tour was drawing.[13] “ https://www.northatlanticbooks.com/blog/have-fun-fight-fascism/

I can find zero evidence that the "Northwest Club Coalition" OR "The Young American tour" has ever existed or that they are tied to me.

The tour received a 12 page write up in Spin magazine and was well received, the salon.com article is another article that worked at understanding what was happening…

https://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Police-grab-grave-marker-promoted-as-serial-1055822.php

https://www.sfweekly.com/music/house-of-tudor-139/

https://www.cultofweird.com/crime/ed-gein-gravestone/

https://www.salon.com/2001/06/14/angry_males/

https://books.google.com/books?id=PCPpNtEu0GgC&pg=PA116&lpg=PA116&dq=angry+white+male+tour,+bugbee&source=bl&ots=VcmeIgriEf&sig=ACfU3U0gNmEomfGXke_10G-3yj4MtW2g1w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjh1LDls9vrAhUGna0KHTh4Dp44ChDoATAGegQIARAB#v=onepage&q=angry%20white%20male%20tour%2C%20bugbee&f=false

“he started a new Podcast entitled "Love, Loss, and Despair",[27] addressing among other things his recent divorce, the publishing of Might is Right, his first encounters and meeting with Katja Lane wife of White Nationalist David Lane, the failure of "A Year at The Wheel" to lock-in a final edit, his rivalry with artist Steven Johnson Leyba, and his admission into the Church of Satan.”

The podcast this must be speaking of is speakofthedevilpod.com — it’s the only new podcast I’ve done and the only one I’ve done about my history. I do not speak of Katja Lane or David Lane, I do not consider a year at the wheel a failure and I have a full movie and book up on archive.org so, the edit was locked in and I don’t know the artist Leyba well enough to even remember too much about him let alone have a rival… these items are made up and not at all factual.

podcast: http://www.speakofthedevilpod.com/

There are books and media missing, but thems the breaks.

https://artwhorecult.com/art-talk-shane-bugbee/

https://artwhorecult.com/article-shane-bugbee-discusses-his-two-portland-art-shows-happening-on-october-5th-2018/

The mistruths and the slant towards me being something I’m not is messed up… its worse than messed up, it’s highlighted on my wiki and I’d like you all to consider what these mistruths serve?

Again, do not mind facts about me presented within context.

I do hate to bother you in such troubled times, but it is because of these troubled times I think it’s important, especially as an artist, to be detailed in the misunderstood in our work, to claim a side. I’m firmly on the side of #blm & #metoo thanks for listening.

@Shane m bugbee: I'm sorry for this to be such an unsatisfying response to your edit request, but you need to be more specific about what you want to be written. Which sections need to be altered and how? This is a very long and complicated edit request and it's difficult to implement. Sdrqaz (talk) 01:23, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

just seeing this.

I was informed by a person that attempted an edit that the edit was reversed.

The bias here is incredibly unfair.

There is an entire section called ANGRY WHITE MALE TOUR - why? Most mentioned in that section has to do with one, one of many, many projects I've produces... that project is https://archive.org/details/ayearatthewheel

the citation by Cristien Storm was found to be fake and removed from the blog it originally appeared. your site now sites the archive.org page. you will not find the article anywhere online nor will you find the made up group she states she founded.

this information was added right after the page was severely vandalized with horrid lies... I've mentioned it multiple times and you've ignored this.

I understand racism is a hot button issue - I am opposed to racism and have a large career... a lot of controversy, that's true. I don't mind the facts of my life displayed, it's the libelist accusations I've asked wiki to fix and it seems I'm powerless.

this wiki and the liable accusations has hurt my career and any attempt I make at advancing my career.

I really dig what wiki is about, but I can not have this. What do I need to do for this liable statements to be taken seriously? Shane m bugbee (talk) 09:47, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

to add to what I've just posted: the following section with the #27 citation is totally wrong and there is NO source that would prove that different. the source linked are podcasts where I interview other people, I'm not talking about my career.

In 2018, he started the podcast Love, Loss, and Despair, addressing among other things his recent divorce, the publishing of Might is Right, his first encounters and meeting with Katja Lane wife of White Nationalist David Lane, the failure of "A Year at The Wheel" to lock-in a final edit, his rivalry with artist Steven Johnson Leyba, and his admission into the Church of Satan. Shane m bugbee (talk) 10:04, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Request edit on 15 March 2023

• What I think should be changed:

Author Cristien Storm noted that the tour featured Jim Goad, a figure associated with the alt-right movement, and that confederate flags were used in its marketing. She saw this as platforming and mainstreaming white nationalism, and in response founded the Northwest Club Coalition, a network of artists and musicians dedicated to fighting fascism in music and art spaces.[13]

• Why it should be changed:

the citation used was removed from the original website because it was liable. Wikipedia is now linking to an archive.org link of the libelist blog post. the only thing true in the above paragraph is " the tour features Jim Goad"

• References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

this link shows the original link to the blog that was removed because it was wrong.

https://www.northatlanticbooks.com/blog/have-fun-fight-fascism/

Shane m bugbee (talk) 10:17, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

 Declined You've omitted an important part of the paragraph—the preceding sentence: "The tour was received with mixed reviews." In context, the excerpt you quoted is a description of a review, not a statement of fact. I will note that the paragraph doesn't include a positive review of the tour. A more constructive approach might be to propose a specific edit citing a positive review for balance. voorts (talk/contributions) 02:33, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

the section is titled ANGRY WHITE MALE TOUR - But is NOT about that. It has a few sentences about that ONE tour, out of many event's I've done throughout the decades. This is an obvious bias from a person who vandalized my page in 2019.

for some reason wikipedia is not taking this issue seriously. I can understand if someone there is upset by some of the work I've produced, but I'm not a prejudice kind of person and my body of work definitely proves that, and would prove that in a court of law.

the attacks on my reputation are coming from a group of anarchists... perhaps they have a friend at wiki? I don't know... but if I can not get my page fixed to be accurate I will have to consult a lawyer. this is the last time I will ask.

I will mention, again, "Author Cristien Storm" is part of the anarchist group that has planted a libel story that you continue to let stand. I have now informed you multiple times.

A certified letter will be sent to Wiki's board of directors in the AM regarding this issue and inform them that I am represented by the lawyers for the creative arts - meaning, I'm not paying for the legal help... please don't make it come to this. thank you.

refer to the OG edit from jan 2019 to see what the page was prior to the vandalism. thank you Shane m bugbee (talk) 06:23, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

I will add that the following line, in quotes, is in TWO sections - there is an obvious bias of your editing team, or total lack of concern if this is being missed. what you are enabling is absolutely outrageous, you are posing as a service to present truth and knowledge... while attempting to re-write history.

"Starting in 2001, he organized and extensively promoted a new tour entitled "The Angry White Male" tour. featuring not only Mike Dianna, but controversial zine writer Jim Goad and decorated with confederate flags." Shane m bugbee (talk) 04:01, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

References

 Note: Do you have evidence to back up that this is what happened to the original source? Link rot is not unusual, and it can occur for many reasons. Archived citations are not per se invalid. If you believe that there is material here that constitutes defamation, please follow WP:RFO and do not draw further attention to it. Actualcpscm (talk) 22:51, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

WRONG!

As so many of the pieces on my wiki are. This happened after it was vandalized in 2019. Below doesn't link to this. Bellow is made up. I have a FINAL EDIT for a year at the wheel, never met Katja lane and Steven Leyba has never been a rival, he asked that I published his books and I declined. none of this is true.

Same as the link you provide from "Author Cristien Storm" the information in her blogpost are lies. If they'd had happened I'd be fine with it being posted... but they never have and she has NO proof of it in her blog, her account is fictional. Or have her provide proof, but she can't.

Is wikipedia a source of information or a tool of propaganda?

"In 2018, he started the podcast Love, Loss, and Despair, addressing among other things his recent divorce, the publishing of Might is Right, his first encounters and meeting with Katja Lane wife of White Nationalist David Lane, the failure of "A Year at The Wheel" to lock-in a final edit, his rivalry with artist Steven Johnson Leyba, and his admission into the Church of Satan." 2601:240:D880:8BE0:496B:C5EE:8750:7C92 (talk) 01:19, 20 June 2024 (UTC)