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The details are in this article are unsourced, and appear to conflict with other information available on Wikipedia. See also Maratha empire, Bahadur Shah I. Physchim62 21:26, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This seems to be totally false (Rex 23:16, 28 July 2005 (UTC))[reply]

i also agree to REX WiseSabre 12:22, 21 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I have cleaned up the article User:mkamat 16:12, 13 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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What should be the title of Shahu ?

In this article and other pages, Shahu is called Emperor.Is that the correct term ? In 1719-20, Balaji Vishwanath negotiated a treaty with a weak Mughal emperor that conferred on Shahu the right to collect Chauth, right to Sardeshmukhi and also acknowledged the borders of Maratha swarajya^[1].The Sardeshmukhi rights required Shahu to pay one million rupees and also make available troops for the Mughals.All his life Shahu regarded himself the vassal of Moghuls^[2] Given the above should he be called an emperor ? Please comment. ThanksJonathansammy (talk) 16:13, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Contemporary source, Nizam-ul-mulk testifies in direct letter addressed to Chhatrapati Shahu that Shahu has not paid any amount of peshkash to Mughals, nor maintained the soldiers pledged to Mughals as agreed in 1719 treaty. Nizam's letters regarding Marathas A closer look into primary sources, rather than questionable secondary sources as has been your usual refuge, would do you good. DeccanFlood (talk) 13:22, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Haig L, t-Colonel Sir Wolseley (1967). The Cambridge History of India. Volume 3 (III). Turks and Afghans. Cambridge UK: Cambridge University press. pp. 395–396. ISBN 9781343884571. Retrieved 12 May 2017.
^ Haig L, t-Colonel Sir Wolseley (1967). The Cambridge History of India. Volume 3 (III). Turks and Afghans. Cambridge UK: Cambridge University press. p. 407. ISBN 9781343884571. Retrieved 12 May 2017.

No mention of KahndeRao Gujar (Son of Pratap Rao Gujar) who sacrificed his religion and became Muslim in place of Shahu Ji when the Moghul’s captured Shahu ji and family. The Moghuls were so amazed at the sacrifice that they released Shahu Ji.

http://marathachronicles.blogspot.com/2010/11/chatrapati-shahu-maharaj.html?m=1 The Real Rana (talk) 03:03, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting reversal of distortive edits by User SKAG123

User SKAG123 has disrupted the page with very poor edits full of formatting errors, excessive focus on Peshwas and distorted arrangement of chronology. Requestion reversion to older versions, keeping in JadedHippo, an experienced editor's corrections.DeccanFlood (talk) 08:51, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I has made various changes to this article

I removed Chhatrapati as per WP:HONORIFIC and WP:COMMONNAME
The section Relations with the Peshwas is too long. A large portion of the section focuses on the Peshwas. I noticed many paragraphs in the section were unrelated to the Peshwas, so I suggest breaking up that section.
I agree with the portrait in the infobox, however, the portrait should be cropped so that the monarch is at the center of the image with minimal background distractions.

These edits can be made once copy editing is complete. SKAG123 (talk) 22:19, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, @SKAG123 for requesting we wait for copy editing to finish before making these changes. It'd be great if you could help address these issues as well as those mentioned in my post ~~above~~ below once I finish copy editing. Thank you! Jadedhippo (talk) 02:24, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, @DeccanFlood. I took a first pass at copy editing the article, and will run through it at least one more time to tidy it up. I am not very familiar with the subject and its history, but I did feel some parts were superfluous or unrelated and can be removed. I'd appreciate any help you can provide in making this article more relevant to the subject. I was hesitant to remove much content to avoid addressing issues outside the purview of copy editing (currently participating in the GOCE March Drive), but would be glad to help out after copy editing is complete. Jadedhippo (talk) 02:19, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@SKAG123 Peshwas dont need a section of their own their liege Shahu's page in the first place. They were just one section of the larger government, and came into prominence after his death, which is covered in the last section. There should be no "Later Peshwas" or "Relations with Peshwas" or any specific Peshwa centric section on the page because it would be over-extensive. Also, it majorly focuses on 1 Peshwa not "Peshwas", and there are no "relations". Removal of Chhatrapati is not qualified under WP:HONORIFIC since the official designation serves the purpose of distinguishing the dynasty name from regular branches (nagpur, tanjore, kolhapur, and others). These changes are not necessary interference for copy editing to be complete.07:47, 10 March 2023 (UTC)DeccanFlood (talk)

@DeccanFlood "Bhonsale Chatrapatti" violates WP:COMMONNAME because it is not the commonly used English name to refer to dynasty. Bhonsala itself refers to the main branch. The cadet branches are specified by Bhonsule-Nagpur, Bhonsle-Thanjavur, etc. This is how it is done for most royal houses on Wikipedia.

The middle section is too long and at least 2 paragraph talks about shah's relationship with the pesewas, so they should be sectioned off.
also, is there any reason why you removed the signature form the infobox? SKAG123 (talk) 20:48, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chhatrapati of the Marathas to Chhatrapati of the Maratha Confederacy

I suggest changing Chhatrapati of the Marathas to Chhatrapati of the Maratha Confederacy as the Marathas were a Confederacy during Shahu's reign (1730-40's) based on sourced cited at Maratha Confederacy. SKAG123 (talk) 03:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Haig L, t-Colonel Sir Wolseley (1967). The Cambridge History of India. Volume 3 (III). Turks and Afghans. Cambridge UK: Cambridge University press. pp. 395–396. ISBN 9781343884571. Retrieved 12 May 2017.

[2] Haig L, t-Colonel Sir Wolseley (1967). The Cambridge History of India. Volume 3 (III). Turks and Afghans. Cambridge UK: Cambridge University press. p. 407. ISBN 9781343884571. Retrieved 12 May 2017.

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