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sorry, i couldn't figure out how to create a new post. anyway this sentence (under history) doesn't make much sense:

"From 1649–1651, the poet John Milton lived there during the Commonwealth of England under Oliver Cromwell's rule in 1986 during the year of love between apes" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.226.250.100 (talk) 19:01, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Name

Surely the origin of name (so I'd always heard) is that it was the point of departure for the Scotland coaches? Certainly Edinburgh has an equivalent area: London Road is still visibly the natural head of the M1 (despite traffic changes and the construction of a bridge and new ceremonial route straight to Princes Street). Will research this. JackyR 17:12, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

I believe the name was a result of being built upon land owned by Adam Scot.I may have read this in Roy Porter's London, I am not sure.
I believe that the derivation of the name as currently stated in the article is correct, and indeed is more than 'a popular explanation'. It was referred to as "a parcel of land late of the king of Scotts" in 1440, and "Kyng of Scottis" ground in 1462. Russ London 01:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
That's the version I've read as well, and I agree it's probably more substantiatable than suggested in the article. A cited source needs to be here in any case. Bobanny 20:42, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

There is a lot of information on this matter in the booklet "The Story of 13-15 Great Scotland Yard" by Norman Seymour. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.7.93 (talk) 17:59, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

The names "Scot" and "Scott" are entirely different from the name "Scotland." To say that Scotland Yard was named after Scott is scarcely credible.Lestrade (talk) 21:51, 2 February 2010 (UTC)Lestrade

Yet another explanation for the name http://www.smoothhound.co.uk/tourism/london/new-scotland-yard.html Bizzybody (talk) 09:53, 6 May 2010 (UTC)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Whitehall1680.jpg The above link comes from the link below. Scotland Yard/s are on the right of this map image of Whitehall drawn in 1680. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_Whitehall NotAtlas (talk) 18:18, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

The first three paras of the intro are in conflict. To add to the folklore; the original SY was effectively the Scottish embassy in London. It was the site of the negotiations for unification in 1707. The SY building was demolished after 1800.220.244.85.176 (talk) 23:40, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

What does it do?

the article is focused on the name and address. It's not clear to me, an American, what are Scotland Yard's responsibilities, and/or the limits on those responsibilities, etc. Probably, non-Americans don't know the difference between American "state police", sheriff's departments, FBI, etc., but that's basically what I'm wondering. For instance, who does what Scotland Yard does outside of greater London?

I've added a new section to this article which will hopefully make this clearer. -- ChrisO 07:41, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Name

Shouldn't this be moved to "New Scotland Yard" ? Niall123 21:58, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Quite right. Scotland Yard should be reserved for information about the various Scots legations that resided there prior to the act of Union, and then on the home of the early police, following their time at Bow street.Brendandh 17:14, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Is not the term Scotland Yard (and the Yard) also used for the Metropolitan Police Service itself ("They called in Scotland Yard/the Yard")? User:Shulgi 18 December 2006, 18:00 (UTC)

Wikipedia naming conventions are to use the most commonly used name, which in this case is "Scotland Yard." Bobanny 20:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

This article states: "In much popular fiction and cinema, the term New Scotland Yard is used incorrectly instead of Metropolitan Police to describe the police force in London." Clearly, when "Scotland Yard" is used in popular media they are referring to what exists at Scotland Yard, not that Scotland Yard is actually something that itself functions as a law enforcement force. Langley mean CIA; Foggy Bottom mean US State Department; the White House means the US President; the Kremlin means the Russian President; Scotland Yard means the Metropolitan Police Service. It's not incorrect, as the article states, but is a figure of speech to denote the place where specific things exist... like the Metropolitan Police. Jordinho (talk) 16:37, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I remember hearing that Scotland Yard(New SY or "old" SY I know not) was built on the sit eof an unsolved murder. I'm not sure where this information would best be placed, but it would be a welcome addition if any of you are privy to the information. - L Spencer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.231.61.163 (talk) 01:36, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

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The YouTube video of the rotating sign has been "removed by user."

L K Tucker 69.1.46.40 (talk) 22:11, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Spam

Hi, I noticed a large amount of spam at the beginning of this article, and deleted it as it had no relevance whatsoever to the article in question. 91.108.114.238 (talk) 22:52, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that. The spammer has been blocked. -- ChrisO (talk) 23:40, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

New Scotland Yard building

I came here looking for information on the New Scotland Yard building, but the article contains almost nothing despite 'New Scotland Yard' redirecting here. In everyday usage 'Scotland Yard' is a synonym for the Met both in Britain and abroad (though this usage is declining in Britain), but nobody uses 'New Scotland Yard' in this way. It's the building. --Ef80 (talk) 13:33, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

The account of the original Scotland Yard building does not make sense

The account of the original Scotland Yard building does not make sense.

If you look at a street map, Whitehall Place is the road that runs roughly parallel to Great Scotland Yard.

If the original Scotland Yard building occupied by the Metropolitan Police was 4 Whitehall Place, then the back of the building could have been roughly opposite the current Metropolitan Police stables in Great Scotland Yard. But the building that used to be the MoD Library is next door to the stables, not opposite.

There needs to be proper citations for this, because something in the article is not true - but I do not know what.--Toddy1 (talk) 14:03, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

You're right, it can't be the same building. The misinfo about "the stables next door" is all over the web - probably picked up from WP. If you go into Street View in Google Earth, you can see the "Scotland Yard" blue plaque on the face of 4 Whitehall Place. So, the error must be in equating that building with the one at 7-9 Great Scotland Yard. WCCasey (talk) 18:54, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
Removed the incorrect ID. WCCasey (talk) 20:02, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Add "Prime Suspect" TV series to "Popular Culture" section?

Shouldn't the "Popular Culture" section be updated to include the highly successful and critically acclaimed "Prime Suspect" TV series (broadcast in both the U.S. and U.K., and possibly in other English-language countries, as well)? Granted, DCI Jane Tennison's character was attached to various local precincts ("nicks"?) of the Met (except in Series 5), not to the New Scotland Yard building per se, but the 1st sentence of the "Overview" section of the article on the series states, she was "attached to the Metropolitan Police division, which is also known as Scotland Yard." The article should also address the history of women in the Met, particularly the rise of women to senior positions of authority. --Jackftwist (talk) 16:47, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Also Commander Adam Dalgliesh of the P. D. James novels and TV series? (His office is on the 5th floor) : Murder Room ch 2. Alanf777 (talk) 22:35, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

There was a 1970s ITV police drama series called New Scotland Yard IIRC, some time before The Sweeney. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.24.217.122 (talk) 20:21, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Reference to 1888 construction needs clarification

The last sentence of the second paragraph in the section "History: The Metropolitan Police" concerns construction that occurred in 1888, yet the sentence comes after references to the 1908 and 1947 expansions. Presumably, the 1888 construction was connected to the building the Yard moved to in 1890, which is discussed half of a (long) paragraph earlier, although the current sequence of these two events in that paragraph leaves that far from clear. If the 1888 construction doesn't refer to the 1890 building, then what it does refer to should be clarified. At the very least, having the 1888 reference so far out of sequence in the paragraph forces the reader to pause and search back in the article to attempt to place the discussion in its proper context. One of the primary functions of good editing is to make the flow of text easier for the reader to follow, not harder.

Serious consideration should also be given to moving the reference to the Norman Shaw Buildings in the second paragraph to the final paragraph in that section, where that complex is also mentioned. In its current position, the first reference to these buildings interrupts the historical sequence of events of the Yard's expansion, which is the primary focus of that paragraph. --Jackftwist (talk) 17:27, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I have made it clearer that the construction referred to was the construction of New Scotland Yard.
I think it would be very confusing to move the mention of the Norman Shaw Buildings to the second paragraph. Until the replacement building was built in 1960s, they were called "New Scotland Yard. They were only renamed, when their name was moved to a new building.--Toddy1 (talk) 19:54, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Fenian bombing campaign

The paragraph about the Fenian bombing campaign does not belong in the section "Current Location of the Met". Perhaps it should be in the previous section? Vikingurinn (talk) 05:39, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Name

I seem to recall, growing up in the 50's and 60's in England, that the term "Scotland Yard" had always been used for the Metropolitan Police, and that the name "New Scotland Yard" was brought into play when the met moved from its Victoria Embankment premises to the current Broadway site. It was at this time that the new triangular sign was erected and became the image broadcast on TV instead of the earlier "Scotland Yard" plaque. The latter is not referred to in the article, but I'm sure was the image familiar to earlier TV viewers.122.57.230.217 (talk) 10:46, 19 March 2012 (UTC)DMWaldron

I'm not sure if the change of the address section was right, but the Scotland Yard isn't. Alanf777 (talk) 02:31, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

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