Talk:Sacagawea/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

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WikiProject Biography Assessment

The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 14:20, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Content removed from article

I'm trying to keep track of info that may have been removed after being vandalized (hint--don't just delete vandalism, check the page history), but it appears the article was improved since being vandalized so I can't tell yet if the deleted passages need to be restored. Katr67 13:01, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Diff from December 31, 2006

Contrary to a common romantic view, Sacagawea did not "guide Lewis and Clark across the continent." This contribution is an unfounded reconstruction of historian Grace Hebard who reconstructed Sacagawea's role as an icon for the turn of the century women's movement. Sacagawea did offer some geographical confirmation as the expedition was approaching the area where she had lived as a child. Sacagawea also instructed Lewis on which plants were edible/useful to the party, translated when they met the Shoshone (the original purpose for which she was brought along), and served as a passive goodwill ambassador. The presence of a woman and child with the group served as a signal that the expedition, while armed, was an essentially peaceful undertaking.

Pronunciation

Correct spelling of the name: Wm Clark in his Journal gives the name as "Sah-kah-gar we â". Clark as a very good listener of the spelling of Indian words, heard then after the "a" in the first and the second sillable an articulate sound, either a "h" [h] or a glottal stop [’]. The "ar" in the third sillable is, as other words testify it, a "long flanelly a", spelled [ɔ:], and not a nearly inaudible sound like [ə]. The "g", in other sources somtimes written "j", is a smooth "tz", spelled [ʤ]. The first "a" of the name is hardly spelled [ə] as the English-American language does. I prefer to think it a full [a], and the last "a" is surely not spelled [ə], but a full long ã [a:], then Clark gives the sign for a long vowel "^" and writes "â". So the name was heard and spelled by Clark as [sah-kah-ʤɔ:-wi/e-a:] or with glottal stops [sa’-ka’-ʤɔ:-wi/e-a:]. About the stress of the name we know nothing. Usually it is stressed on the paenultima [sa’-ka’-ʤɔ:-wí/e-a:], it is also possible to stress the name on the third last sillable [sa’-ka’-ʤ´ɔ:-wi/e-a:]. (KAW)Smokey.esq (talk) 15:56, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

This is good info but unsourced. I'm placing it here for discussion. Katr67 (talk) 17:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Notified Smokey.esq on his talk page. Kww (talk) 17:38, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, this is a good nugget of information. But without a credible resource with it, it can’t be taken seriously just yet.--DavidD4scnrt (talk) 04:21, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I tagged the current pronunciation in the lede as dubious. It would appear to be neither Shoshone nor Hidatsa, and it is not supported by the text as claimed. kwami (talk) 05:57, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

"The spelling Sacajawea, though widely taught until the late 20th century, is generally considered incorrect in modern academia." This would seem to be another example of the elitism of non-native academics. The case for the soft "g" (or "j") sound seems well enough supported, and the argument that her name was approximated by the Hidatsa and redefined is certainly plausible. Consider how names were changed at Ellis Island. In addition to the arguments already noted in the body of the article is this: Lewis' nickname for her was "Janey", not "Ganey". As to the spelling in the journals, one must be careful in using their spelling as a standard. Many well known words are incorrectly spelled there.RDavS (talk) 03:34, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Spelling of Sacajawea's name of grave marker - spelling is the same as in the photo

Spelling of Sacajawea's name of grave marker

(Undid revision 207751127 by Philkon (talk) name - sp. issues)

Please do NOT change the spelling on the caption. I intentionally spelled it this way because that is the way it is spelled in the photograph itself.

Phil Konstantin Phil Konstantin (talk) 19:51, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Name of Park in Longview, Washington

The name of the park (and the lake) in Longview, Washington, should be Sacajawea, not Sacagawea, per the City of Longview's own Web site: http://www.ci.longview.wa.us/parks_rec/parks/parks_lake.html.

I have corrected the spelling of the place (but not of the person) in the article. 76.21.8.213 (talk) 19:23, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Statue in Virginia is NOT Sacagawea

The statue mentioned in the article in Gloucester, Virginia is NOT Sacagawea. It's Pocahontas. It would make no sense for this town to have a monument to Sacagawea, as she lived nowhere near it. Pocahontas, however, did live in Gloucester. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stormygirl84 (talk • contribs) 22:19, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Done. Carl.bunderson (talk) 20:35, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Sacagawea's Marriage Age

Sacagawea married around the age of 16. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.9.185.47 (talk) 22:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Do you have a source for that?—Kww(talk) 22:36, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

GA again?

I just read this this morning while helping my son with his homework. I think it's GA quality or close to it. Any particular reason why this shouldn't be re-nominated for GA? Jclemens (talk) 17:02, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

What speed?

"Sacagawea was born into an Agaidika ("Salmon Eater") tribe of Lemhi Shoshone between Kenney Creek and Agency Creek about twenty minutes away from Hayden and Bear Trail Creeks" 20 minutes at what speed? 20 minutes at the speed of light is much further than 20 minutes by sloth or similar... 78.146.114.177 (talk) 06:05, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Information from descendants of Sacagawea in Idaho

There is tons of facts with sources about Sacagawea, her descendants the Lemhi-Shoshone as well as current events on their website. Descendants were invited to the unveiling of the USNS Sacagawea (T-AKE 2), the are web features from National Geographic ( http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0302/feature4/index.html ) the NY Times ( http://www.nytimes.com/1999/10/26/us/seeking-land-for-tribe-of-girl-who-helped-lewis-and-clark.html?sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all ) and many others at www.lemhi-shoshone.com

I would like to update this page, but someone keeps taking my edits off, why?

Many people do not know that a 100 square mile reservation was established by Pres. Grant in 1875 for the Lemhi-Shoshone, yet they were later stripped of federal recognition and exiled in 1907 to Fort Hall, Idaho. [www.lemhi-shoshone.com] Ariwite (talk) 02:57, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Your edit, as I recently reverted it, clearly violated our neutral point of view policy, and appeared to have a single self-published source supporting it. Please become familiar with verifiability and reliable sourcing. Jclemens (talk) 06:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Early Life

"... about twenty minutes away from Hayden and Bear Trail Creeks..."

Could this possibly be more vague? From EACH, or an intersection of the two? Twenty minutes??? By what form of travel: foot, covered wagon, canoe, Lamborghini? It was supposed to still be in Idaho, so I am guessing this is not twenty minutes by F-22. If by automobile, is that by a bumpy gravel road or by highway? Heck, stating the distance in furlongs or lightyears would be more informative! At least those are fixed. I think we can do better than this. But I don't live there, so I don't have a convenient way to measure it myself. -- Jane Q. Public (talk) 21:40, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Native American references in "the Simpsons movie" (2007).

Great article, I was wondering if you'd like to include this bit of movie trivia under the film section: When Bart and Lisa jump out of the Simpson family tree house, Bart screams "Geronimo!" and Lisa screams "Sacagawea!". (Dantay42 (talk) 17:50, 4 January 2010 (UTC))

I certainly wouldn't include something so trivial.—Kww(talk) 18:12, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Wow, that's a lot of discussion about how to spell her name!

It seems like a short paragraph on spelling variations would be sufficient. --Calan (talk) 22:42, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Math error

Math error. I suspect the phrase "Sacagawea was pregnant with her first child ... winter of 1805-1806" should be "Sacagawea was pregnant with her first child ... winter of 1804-1805" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.99.114.194 (talk) 12:53, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Questions

Is there any record of Sacagawea's own attitude toward Charbonneau? Did she resent being bought as a slave, or accept it as a custom? Was Charbonneau's motive to buy sex, or to rescue girls from servitude? Why did she stay with Charbonneau and the expedition after finding her family? CharlesTheBold (talk) 18:16, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Christinebrindzabbhc, 12 July 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Please add that there are two monumental size sculptures of Sacagawea at the Buffalo Bill Historical Center in Cody, Wyoming under the Wiki entry Sacagawea, "In Sculpture". 1. Harry Jackson, Sacajawea 2. R.V. Greeves, Bird Woman See the Buffalo Bill Historical Center Website for more information. http://www.bbhc.org/westernart/collections/

Christinebrindzabbhc (talk) 17:44, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Question: How exactly should this information be presented in that section? Its contents is presented as a bulleted list, not a numbered list. I'm not familiar with this subject, and I want to copy and paste your work into the article.  Davtra  ^(talk) 07:49, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Sakakawea her tribe & racism in the journals & NPOV

The section "pronunciation" above is related to this comment. The journals' spelling is of interest, as well as the terms "savages" and "squars", which showed the expedition's contempt for the peoples they met. Some scholars question how much information in the accounts was new (as opposed to preconceived ideas of racial superiority). The article makes it seem like they loved or cared for Sakakawea, and selective quotes are used. Why? That's not what happened. To highligh in the Introduction the nickname "Janey", insulting in itself, and to ignore the derogatory terms they used for her and other indigenous peoples raises questions about NPOV. Those weren't terms of affection.

Some scholars have questioned her being called Shoshone, and insist she was Hidatsa; that's related to the claim she was a slave, which they also question. They argue these particular tribes did not practise chattel slavery like the European/Americans. These things should be mentioned; plenty of scholary work on them. The attempt to say the indigenous nations shared the same property concepts as people the Europeans has no foundation. Further, some paragraphs quote from only primary sources & need to be adjusted. They should conform to proper use so that things aren't used out of context.Ebanony (talk) 01:17, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

age

Sacagawea died at the age of 96 or 24? noone knows certainly so change the thing of age. Loreleyy (talk) 23:22, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Name of the sculptor of the Sacagawea sculpture in Boise Idaho, A. Vincen Talbot

the name of the sculptor who created the sculpture of Sacagawea at the Idaho Historical Society in Boise Idaho is: A.(Agnes) Vincen Talbot — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.16.100 (talk) 03:01, 21 June 2011 (UTC) potato in the banana

Please Add Another Film

Since this page is locked, I can't edit it.

Please add this to the list of films about Sacagawea:

The Song of Sacajawea

Author: Jack Molloy; Laura Dern; David Lindley; Rabbit Ears Productions.

Publisher: South Norwalk, CT : Rabbit Ears Entertainment, ©2007.

Edition/Format: DVD video : Animation : Juvenile audience : NTSC color broadcast system : English

Summary: Journey up the Missouri River and across the Rocky Mountains with the Lewis and Clark expedition - guided by the Native American woman Sacajawea.

References

Nello Lucchesi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nlucchesi (talk • contribs) 19:20, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Decendents of Sacagawea & Toussaint Charbonneau

I am not sure what information you are lacking, but I can guarantee you are, as my husband is the 4th Great Grandson of Sacagawea and her children with Toussaint Charbonneau. Our children are the 5th Great Grandchildren (1 male, 2 female) of this bloodline. Proven through our family tree. My husbands mother is a Charbonneau; the family settled in the Illinois River Valley near Starved Rock. May want to do some geneology research as far as the deaths of their children and their children's offsprings as this bloodline did not end as your article suggests. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bwren81 (talk • contribs) 22:48, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

There were a lot of people with the last name of Charboonneau. Unfortunately Jean, baby Pomp, contracted measels, which later hindered him from being able to have children. The daughter, Lizette, died when still a child. They were both adopted by Clark after Sacajawea & Charbonneau died. Jean is buried in Oregon. He traveled all over the world and was mayor of a small town in California before he died. There are no direct descendants of Sacajawea. But there may be from Charbonneau & his other shoshone wife. I am a family descendant thru Sacajawea's brother Cameawait.Ndngirl 19 (talk) 22:05, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Change the name

Its disturbing that the Wikipedia won't honor the request of Sacajawea's people to use the name with the 'j'. We see the use of the other name as a slap in the face. Its her 'SLAVE' name. How would you like it if someone changed your grandmothers name because other people wanted it like that? Hmm? Please Change it!!! Thanks! Dustina — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ndngirl 19 (talk • contribs) 21:51, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

The slap in the face analogy is flawed: No one intends to hurt the subject's people. Wikipedia's naming conventions are used which, in short, use the most widely recognized spelling. Sacagawea is honored by the U.S. Treasury, and their usage is consistent with this article name as Sacagawea. Surely that is not insulting. You get a majority of everyone else to change spelling, and we will too. —EncMstr (talk) 22:26, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Slave name? Please be serious. DreamGuy (talk) 02:16, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

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sacagawea died in age 25 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.26.146 (talk) 20:32, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Location of Fort Lisa / Fort Manuel Lisa

This article contradicts itself about the location of Fort Lisa / Fort Manuel Lisa. In one part of the article, Fort Lisa is located on the Missouri River - which in reality it was. The fort was first established near Lake Sacagawea in North Dakota, near where the Little Missouri River joins the Missouri. In later years, it was re-located to near present day Omaha, still on the Missouri River. This article, however, Fort Lisa is listed chronologically on the Missouri River at the time of Sacagawea's death, and then at the mouth of the Bighorn River some months later when Sacagawea's daughter was a survivor of an Indian attach. The author is no doubt confused by the forts established by Manuel Lisa. Around 1807 Lisa established Fort Raymond at the mouth of the Bighorn River. Around 1809, Lisa built a fort known as Fort Manuel Lisa, or Fort Lisa, near the mouths of the Little Missouri and the Big Knife rivers. It was at this fort that Sacagawea died, and that some months later an Indian attack was thought to have killed her daughter, who it turns out, survived, along with her father. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.123.151.141 (talk) 04:15, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 21 December 2012

In the section "Later life and death" there is a typo. The last word of the following sentence should be "frontiersman."

After his infant son died, Jean-Baptiste came back from Europe in 1829 to live the life of a Western frontiersmen.

66.207.134.78 (talk) 16:42, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

 Done--JayJasper (talk) 17:48, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

True Story of Sacajawea's Life and Death

Though this site tries to repeat what is factually known, the truth is that there has been conclusive proof as of 1999 that Sacajawea did not die in 1812, but instead was confused with another Indian woman who did die in 1812, which was Otter Woman, another of her husband's many wives. This evidence is supported by many historical documents and credible witnesses who stated they met and knew Sacajawea. The implication that someone else assumed her identity and pretended to be the famed heroine is impossible given the fact her stepson associated himself with her until the end of her life in 1884. In addition to this fact, the Sacajawea that lived until 1884 had the medals given to her in recognition to the trip she took with Lewis and Clark. These medals were seen by numerous credible eyewitnesses. How would someone get these in their possession unless they were whom they said they were. Yes, William Clark stated her as dead as two other explorers. But the explorers didn't know her personally and to them one Indian woman was the same as the other. In addition Clark hadn't seen her for years and assumed because of the comments made that she was dead, and wrote it down as fact, though it wasn't. Remember that Clark also listed Patrick Gass as dead and he was very much alive until 1870. Historians are wrong sometimes and given the fact Ken Burns and others stated what they heard, but didn't have proof otherwise their statements are useless and can't be held to any standards of historical fact. As for my knowledge I've researched Sacajawea for 10+ years, how many years have they? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.79.92.247 (talk) 17:21, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

In entertainment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyyDpGJG9UA This might be of note. o0drogue0o 06:04, 21 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by O0drogue0o (talk • contribs)

Hi, I am an italian member. I'm not good with English language, so please forgive me for my mistakes. I want only to tell that "Sakagawea" is even the name of a shuttle of the tv serie "Star Trek Voyager". Thanks --LidiaZitara (talk) 15:17, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

you are correct — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.72.50.117 (talk) 17:13, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Addition of reference to Cascade Locks, OR Sculpture

The city of Cascade Locks, Oregon added a bronze statue of Sacagawea in the Cascade Locks Marine Park. It was unveiled on April 13, 2011. Source: http://www.columbiariverimages.com/Regions/Places/cascade_locks_marine_park_bronze.html Please include reference to this in the "In sculpture" section of this article.Zuke Tower (talk) 00:16, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2015

to fix spelling errors Rjsonic84 (talk) 23:30, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

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please add another YA novel

Please add "Streams to the River, River to the Sea," one of the last of the many wonderful YA historical novels by the award-winning Scott O'Dell. Published in 1986, this also posits a (chaste) romance between the teen heroine and William Clark. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:6:3100:AB4:1407:7DB5:B4FD:74FF (talk) 00:52, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 May 2015

This original sentences need to be edited, "At about age 13, Sacagawea was taken as a wife by Toussaint Charbonneau, a Quebecois trapper living in the village. He had also taken another young Shoshone named Otter Woman as a wife. Charbonneau was reported to have purchased both wives from the Hidatsa, or to have won Sacagawea while gambling.{{cn|date=May 2015}]. They need to be edited for correct language and actual situations, to get the point across. Sacagawea was not "taken as a wife". She was a prisoner of this tribe who killed some of her people and kidnapped her people. She ended up as someone who was kidnapped from her home, taken as a prisoner, and forcibly married off to someone in the tribe that brought way on her people. It is sick and disturbing to be forcibly married, have your family/friends kidnapped or killed, or not knowing if they are alive or not. Its not accurate to just say "sacagawea was taken as a wife." Non-consensual sex is rape, non-consensual marriage is a forcibly relational institution where the person is forced to have their human rights/physical rights taken away from them. It is not something to be made light of. To be forced to marry in that situation was to endure repeated rape, manual domestic labor, stripping away of dignity, stripping away of basic human rights, freedom, and the loss of seeing your friends and family ever again. The way this is written currently, needs to be changed to be an accurate portrayal of what someone endured in this situation. It doesn't benefit her memory or anyone else's to make light of something so inhumane and evil. You cannot buy people, and you cannot "win" someone in gabbling, lets call it what it really is, which is sick and inhumane. Srednakun (talk) 16:20, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Not done for now: I understand your objections, but it doesn't look like you suggested wording to replace it. Please suggest specific wording to be placed into the article and reopen the request. Thanks, --ElHef (Meep?) 17:33, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

William Clark Adopted her son Jean-Baptiste not her husband Tousant.

As further proof that Sacagawea died in 1812, Butterfield writes: "An adoption document made in the Orphans Court Records in St. Louis, Missouri, states, 'On August 11, 1813, William Clark became the guardian of Tousant Charbonneau, a boy about ten years, and Lizette Charbonneau, a girl about one year old.' For a Missouri State Court at the time, to designate a child as orphaned and to allow an adoption, both parents had to be confirmed dead in court papers."

The last recorded document citing Sacagawea's existence appears in William Clark's original notes written between 1825–1826. He lists the names of each of the expedition members and their last known whereabouts. For Sacagawea he writes: "Se car ja we au- Dead." (Jackson, 1962)."[10]

Lizette Charbonneau

There is no later record of Lizette among Clark's papers. It is believed that she died in childhood.

Jean-Baptiste Charbonneau--S1storm (talk) 21:53, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 October 2015

Please add a statue to the list.

Sculpture is in Richland, Washington.

Link to a picture and the sculptor's name is below:

http://www.ci.richland.wa.us/documentcenter/view/2054

This is a pdf file, and she's on page 19, which is titled "Parks 8" meaning the 8th sculpture in the Richland parks.

CeeVee2015 (talk) 02:57, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Added. Though I think we may need to revisit the idea of listing every sculpture of her, that's not your problem, however, just something for community discussion. Cheers, Valfontis (talk) 19:54, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2017

She had 9 kids 4 boys and 5 girls — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.0.20.68 (talk) 00:02, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 November 2017

27.111.71.116 (talk) 23:42, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

can i plz edit

Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 01:46, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2017

I would like to add the following information in the "Popular Culture" (Music section) paragraph: a limited edition (Two hundred numbered copies) printed cardboard box containing a book and a cd titled “Sketches for Sacagawea”, composed and performed by Alessandra Celletti, has been published by al-kemi lab in 2010. Please find below the reference of the release on discogs: [1] Serena 400 (talk) 16:17, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. –Ammarpad (talk) 13:29, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 December 2017

Hi! I would like to insert a news in the paragraph Music. Exactly it is a box with CD and book dedicated to Sacagawea by Italian pianist and composer Alessandra Celletti: http://distorsioni-it.blogspot.it/2011/04/alessandra-celletti-sketches-of.html Virgilio32 (talk) 12:44, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

@Virgilio32:  Done. Please see here. Thanks for contributing! CityOfSilver 14:31, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Typo-Correction Needed

I found the following typo but I only have 8 total edits and not allowed to edit this page. I'd like to have someone make the fix and, if possible, learn how to get credit.

In the final sentence of the "Early life" paragraph, the final sentence reads in part "He also had also bought another young Shoshone..." but should be "He had also bought another young Shoshone...". Slamond (talk) 14:31, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, corrected. --Vihelik (talk) 16:34, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Life as a slave (better)

Sacagawea's tribe (sh0shone) were attacked by another tribe, Sacagawea was eleven when the other tribe captured Sacagawea as a slave she worked in crops garden life was different in the other tribes home in north Dakota. A few months later, Sacagawea was sold to a French-Canadian trapper, Toussaint Charbonneau, after that Lewis and Clarke asked Charbonneau to help and join the expedition from which he did they asked Sacagawea to interpret for them too, as she did. she was ready to have her baby. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.3.147.210 (talk) 07:03, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Re-arranging of article content

It seems odd to have "Cultural Significance" as the first subhead on the page. In my experience most people pages put that below "Life", and (at least to me) it makes more sense to move it under "Spelling of Name", above "In Popular Culture," or even nix the subhead all together and merge the information it has into the introductory information at the top of the page. Thoughts? KatieTJF (talk) 15:43, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Spelling of name

Seventeen long paragraphs devoted to discussing the spelling of her name in her main biography? Who exactly thought this was a good idea? Please split it out into a separate article. Viriditas (talk) 18:54, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 March 2019

In literature, there is the following sentence

Sacagawea has since become a popular figure in historical and young adult novels, including Anna Lee Waldo's novel Sacajawea (1984).

Can it be edited to the following:

Sacagawea has since become a popular figure in historical and young adult novels, including Anna Lee Waldo's novel Sacajawea (1984) and Scott O'Dell's novel Streams to River, River to the Sea (a Novel of Sacagawea) (1986).

Scott O'Dell does have a Wikipedia article about him -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_O%27Dell

Thank you for your time. 129.11.240.135 (talk) 12:56, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion! While I see that Scott O'Dell has a Wikipedia article, the novel itself does not (while Waldo's novel does). If O'Dell's novel meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines, try writing an article about it! I think it could be added to the article then. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 16:39, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

inaccurate

"is known for her help" She didn't "help", she led. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.168.83.95 (talk) 21:47, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Sacagawea's Indian Life

Have you ever wondered who that woman is on that golden coin you might find at your house or at an antique store? Well she might have been the most important women in the US! That women that you saw is named Sacagawea, an indian girl. Things that you might wonder about Sacagawea and the biggest events in her life are, what her early life was like, her expedition with Lewis and Clark, and you might even wonder how she died… SO GRAB SOME POPCORN, TAKE A SEAT, AND GET READY!!!

Sacagawea is probably the most memorialized woman in the United States Of America with statues and monuments. Sacagawea lived for a short period of time but she had a very legendary and eventful life in the west of America. Sacagawea was born in 1788 or a year after. She was also an indian too! The famous indian was a member of the Lemhi band of the Native American Shoshone tribe, and her dad was the chief! Sacagawea also grew up surrounded by rocky mountains in the Salmon River region of what is now Idaho. While Sacagawea was with her tribe she learned many different languages taught by her father, (Smoked Lodge), and also Sacagawea’s moms name was known as, Otter Woman. At the age of 12 or 11 Sacagawea’s tribe was attacked! Sacagawea was taken and sold to a canadian trapper Known as Toussaint Charbonneau, whom she later married. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.74.68.234 (talk) 01:11, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

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Sacajawea's descendants

I am Chelsey Anson, Grand-daughter of Earl and Vivian Anson. Vvian Clairmont was the daughter of Harold Clairmont and Maud Lajeunesse (Clairmont). My family has reason to believe that we very well may be direct descendants of Sacajawea. My cousin Starr (Anson family historian) had our family tree printed out from my grandmother's side of the family. My grandmother, Vivian Clairmont was part Shoshone Indian, Flathead Indian, Blackfoot Indian, and French Canadian. Before successfully given birth to Jean Baptiste Charbonneau, Sacajawea's first born baby died. In her culture if a mother's child died, the mother is to kill a part of herself because a part of her died. Sacajawea took a sharp-pointed rock and cut one of her finger's first joint off. I have a large printout and on both, my Great Grandpa Harold's side of the family and my Great Grandma Maud's side of the family has unnamed ancestors. On Maud's side and Harold's side there are spots filled in with, "East Shoshone women (and woman). As well as East Shoshone man and so on. Upon reading this site's depiction of Sacajawea's life for research on a family book I am writing. (My cousin Starr and Aunt Stella are to thank for our history and ancestry knowledge) I am the writer in our big family. On Harold Clairmont's side of the family I seen a remarkable family name in coincidence with Sacajawea's son, Jean Baptiste (Charbonneau). Vivian Anson's (Clairmont's) family tree is very expansive. The earliest Jean Baptiste on Vivian's family tree is a gentleman named Jean Baptiste Levenesque who was born on Feb. 12th, 1712 in Riviere Ouelle, Quebec, Canada and died on Aug. 17th, 1798. There was also a Jean Baptiste Clairmont. The name Louis is also carried deep and often in our family. My father is one of late Vivian Anson's 7 children. My dad's middle name is Lewis. I obviously would like to speak to a Sacajawea historian. My grandmother's family tree printout is long and sometimes vague. One of our ancestors was Pina Quanah Chief Washakie who was born in 1798 in Montana and he died on Feb. 22, 1900. Chief Washakie's father was Paseego Washakie, born in around 1773 and died in March of 1802. Chief Washakie's mother is listed as East Shoshone women on my great grandma's side. On my great grandpa's (Harold's) side The same Paseego Washakie (same dates as the Paseego Washakie mentioned on Maud's side) married a woman called Han-ni-bah in 1789 they had a child named Mary Washakie (born in 1795 in either, Wyoming or Montana). Han-ni-bah's parents are vaguely listed as Eastern Shoshone Man and East- Shoshone woman. As one of our family's historians and writer, I am interested in piecing the Shoshone part of the family together. Please E-mail me @ darthchelios@gmail.com Sincerely, Chelsey Anson CheliosAnson (talk) 01:40, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

GPS III SV05 satellite

Not sure why this is locked, but the satellite has been nicknamed after this person. Should be mentioned in honors. 2601:602:9200:1310:B1A9:7B41:8037:7B2F (talk) 20:54, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism

Unestablished users cannot edit the page cause it's protected. There had to be someone who vandalized it. Who vandalized this page and what was their vandalism on this page which was changed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zikrsaloncom (talk • contribs) 19:15, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 27 May 2021

Ssacagawea was born in 1789 or 1800 know one knows the exact date. 2601:200:4580:BBD0:19E:C0AB:753C:BCBB (talk) 04:44, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:10, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Sacagawea sculpture

For the section on sculpture under Memorials and Honors, I suggest adding the statue of Sacagawea located at Cascade Locks, Oregon that was unveiled in 2011. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C2:200:4C18:ED8B:A268:434D:E30B (talk) 17:38, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 August 2021

Typo/spelling correction in Death section: change Brackenrige to Brackenridge Mathorin (talk) 14:36, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:44, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

In Popular Culture

Would someone please note under "Film and Television" that Sacagawea is referenced in the Two and a Half Men episode, "Pie Hole, Herb!": Alan mentions he had "to pay for lunch with my lucky Sacagawea dollar", to which Charlie replies: "Is Sacagawea the same Indian chick that's on the Land O' Lakes butter?" (https://tvshowtranscripts.ourboard.org/viewtopic.php?t=846) 47.152.67.178 (talk) 21:25, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Confusion with names?

In the article, it seems there is a mistake in the following citation: "On August 11, 1813, William Clark became the guardian of Tousant Charbonneau, a boy about ten years..." The name of the boy was Jean-Baptiste Charbonneau, not Tousant. His father's name was Toussaint Charbonneau. 198.59.53.9 (talk) 02:53, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

She is named after the country her father founded “Chicago” as her father Jean Baptiste married her mother the same year she was born.

Great Job 141.154.13.95 (talk) 14:54, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

In music

Wayne Shorter's composition "Sacajawea" won the 2003 Grammy Award for Best Instrumental Composition (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Shorter#Awards). 2607:FEA8:28E1:F100:1C4D:EF5E:E3CD:D198 (talk) 14:37, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Date of death

Recent scholarship — Our Story of Eagle Woman: Sacagawea: They Got It Wrong by the Sacagawea Project Board of the Mandan, Hidatsa, and Arikara Nation — proposes a death date of 1869. I'm very far from an expert and would not presume to edit the article, but could someone with more expertise assess whether this claim deserves to be mentioned? I note that the book has just been reviewed in the New York Review of Books, and the reviewer finds the claim plausible. This includes skepticism about the traditional evidence for the much earlier date of 1812. Clark's list from 1825–1826, e.g., is known to be wrong concerning other members of the expedition, including Charbonneau. Ishboyfay (talk) 14:35, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

'g' before 'a'

That is never pronounced as a soft 'g' in the English we are using right now.

The correct spelling of her name is Sacajawea. 142.205.202.71 (talk) 21:45, 17 October 2023 (UTC)