Talk:SS Sir William Siemens

A fact from SS Sir William Siemens appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 7 January 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that when launched in 1896, the freighter Sir William Siemens (pictured) and her sister ships were the largest vessels on the Great Lakes?

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 18:37, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Sir William Siemens in Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan

~~... that the freighter Sir William Siemens (pictured) was the largest vessel on the Great Lakes in 1896? Source: Queen of the Lakes pp. 67-71~~
ALT 1... that the freighter Sir William Siemens (pictured) and her sister ships were the largest vessels on the Great Lakes in 1896? Source: Queen of the Lakes pp. 67-71
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Cozmo

Converted from a redirect by GreatLakesShips (talk). Self-nominated at 02:04, 9 October 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Article was a redirect and has been converted into a long article with citations throughout. Two problems: (1) the hook fact is not verified inline in the article, where it says Sir William Siemens was one of the largest ships on the Great Lakes at the time of her construction, and (2) QPQ is required. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:12, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@GreatLakesShips: You missed this review. Onegreatjoke (talk) 16:48, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Onegreatjoke: What do you mean? GreatLakesShips 🤘 (talk - contribs) 17:47, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@GreatLakesShips: Probably just that you didn't reply to the review yet. There's a QPQ now, but you still need to fix the hook citation: It's not actually missing an inline ref as Muboshgu wrote (we don't need the ref after the comma, after sentence end suffices), but it's not in the source you linked – at least not on pages 69–71, which I could access on Google books (couldn't read 68, maybe it's on that page?). –LordPeterII (talk) 21:06, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. That hook can't be approved. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:46, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Muboshgu: I've added pages 67 and 68, which are relevant to the topic. GreatLakesShips 🤘 (talk - contribs) 21:34, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Muboshgu: (afaik pings only actually work if you sign them at the time of posting, so you can't add them afterwards without signing again). –LordPeterII (talk) 15:08, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, I didn't receive the ping on Oct 24, but I did this morning. I've read pages 67 and 68 and they do not support ALT0 as far as I can see. ALT1 either. It says that it was the Siemens and the sister ships made the largest fleet on the Great Lakes on the bottom of the first column on page 69. I see that the Siemens and the other two ships are identically large but I don't see it say explicitly that they were the largest. Am I missing something? – Muboshgu (talk) 16:27, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Muboshgu: On page 67 it states that "she had been built with a stiff and strong hull and was longer than any on the lakes", as well as "not since the launching of the Onoko fourteen years earlier had Globe built a record-breaking ship". GreatLakesShips 🤘 (talk - contribs) 01:32, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@GreatLakesShips and Muboshgu: Any updates on this? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:52, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Another missed ping... – Muboshgu (talk) 04:48, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Page 67 is about the Str. Coralia, not the Siemens. We're still without an approved hook here. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:52, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Muboshgu: On page 68 it says that "the Coralia was actually the first of three sister ships built to the same plans." GreatLakesShips 🤘 (talk - contribs) 05:46, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So that means it's not "the largest", but "one of the three largest"? – Muboshgu (talk) 21:45, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I guess this means I can approve ALT1. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:46, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

3 months waiting for a promotion. I am going to evaluate for promotion now. Bruxton (talk) 22:09, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Muboshgu and GreatLakesShips: the hook does not work. The ship was launched July 25, 1896 and our article says that "they were surpassed in length on August 1, 1896". Bruxton (talk) 22:17, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Bruxton: I fail to see the issue. The three vessels were still the largest in 1896 for a period of time. GreatLakesShips 🤘 (talk - contribs) 20:00, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

From my reading the hook states that the ship was the largest for the year 1896, but it was largest for only 6 days. I may be making too much of it so I will ask Valereee for an opinion on the matter. Bruxton (talk) 15:01, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bruxton, would this fix it?

ALT 1a: ... that when launched in 1896, the freighter Sir William Siemens (pictured) and her sister ships were the largest vessels on the Great Lakes? Valereee (talk) 15:40, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I removed my nomination question above. Thanks Valereee, technically it is correct what do you both say? @Muboshgu and GreatLakesShips: Bruxton (talk) 15:59, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's technically correct. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:59, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Uneven treatment

The text of this article is very detailed up to 1900, giving many dates, cargoes, ports, and other details of the first four years of the ship's existence. By contrast, the next 44 years of the ship's service life seems an afterthought, even with the portions I copied from the intro (the Final Voyage section was one sentence long). Surely there is more information out there. Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 18:24, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]