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A fact from Roosevelt Hotel (Manhattan) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 2 December 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Roosevelt Hotel had a Teddy Bear Cave?

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The result was: promoted by RoySmith (talk) 18:14, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Facade of the Roosevelt Hotel

... that Pakistan International Airlines owns a New York City hotel named for a U.S. president? Source: Bagli, Charles V. (June 1, 2000). "Judge Rules Against Milsteins in Roosevelt Hotel Dispute". The New York Times.
- ALT1: ... that Pakistan International Airlines owns a New York City hotel named for U.S. president Theodore Roosevelt? Source: Bagli, Charles V. (June 1, 2000). "Judge Rules Against Milsteins in Roosevelt Hotel Dispute". The New York Times.
- ALT2: ... that the Roosevelt Hotel, named for U.S. president Theodore Roosevelt, was later sold to Pakistan International Airlines? Source: Bagli, Charles V. (June 1, 2000). "Judge Rules Against Milsteins in Roosevelt Hotel Dispute". The New York Times.
- ALT3: ... that the Roosevelt Hotel was frequented by Republican party candidates and campaigns before hosting the Chinese Mission to the United Nations in the 1970s? Source: Lelyveld, Joseph (November 11, 1971). "Chinese Diplomats Create Rosy Glow For Roosevelt Hotel's Fading Glory". The New York Times. p. 2.
- ALT4: ... that the Roosevelt Hotel was frequented by Republican Party candidates and campaigns before hosting Chinese diplomats in the 1970s? Source: Lelyveld, Joseph (November 11, 1971). "Chinese Diplomats Create Rosy Glow For Roosevelt Hotel's Fading Glory". The New York Times. p. 2.
- ALT5: ... that the Roosevelt Hotel was among the first hotels in New York City with a health club and childcare center? Source: Bagli, Charles V. (May 26, 2003). "Roosevelt Hotel, Near Grand Central, Goes on the Market". The New York Times. p. B.4.
- ALT6: ... that the Roosevelt Hotel had a Teddy Bear Cave? Source: "Children Welcome in New York Hotel: "Teddy Bear Cave" All Fixed Up for Them in the Roosevelt". The Globe. September 13, 1923. p. 6.
- Reviewed: SS Torrington

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 19:22, 15 November 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Reviewing... Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:15, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: - not done.
Overall: @Epicgenius: Good expansion. Waiting on a QPQ now. Onegreatjoke (talk) 01:17, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Epicgenius: Still waiting on QPQ. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:15, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, I definitely forgot about this. I'll do a QPQ today. Epicgenius (talk) 15:34, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Onegreatjoke and RoySmith: Apologies again. I have now done a QPQ. Epicgenius (talk) 16:30, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, approving. Onegreatjoke (talk) 01:54, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Article title

I propose removing the article "the" from the article title, per WP:THE, and also our precedent from a similar change I made at Talk:Four Seasons Restaurant#Article title. Edge3 (talk) 03:02, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Epicgenius: Just pinging you re: the above message, since I'm not sure that you saw it. Edge3 (talk) 03:21, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the ping @Edge3 - I didn't see this earlier. I think the page could be moved without any problem. The current title came about because the hotel was officially branded as "The Roosevelt Hotel" prior to 2020, with the definite article. However, the hotel was closed for three years and isn't being marketed with the definite article anymore. More recent sources are just referring to it as the "Roosevelt Hotel" (without including the definite article as part of the name), anyway. Epicgenius (talk) 04:17, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it really matters whether the hotel brands itself with the article "The". WP:THE tends to disfavor its use in most cases.

Anyway, I can't move it right now because there's a technical move restriction, and I'm on my phone. I can get to it on my laptop later, unless you'd like to submit the move request yourself. Edge3 (talk) 16:29, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Since I have page mover rights, I can actually move it shortly. – Epicgenius (talk) 17:29, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Although, with respect to WP:THE, we do have pages such as The New York Times (and derivatives of such titles like The New York Times Company and The New York Times Best Seller list), where the page is named as such because "The" is part of the subject's actual name. – Epicgenius (talk) 17:34, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! And I appreciate that WP:THE isn't always that clear. The guideline mainly covers works and publications, groups, and companies, but the guidance doesn't directly address naming of buildings. Edge3 (talk) 17:42, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]