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@MaranoFan: You created this page as a redirect but is there any indication Cardi B will be on the song? Otherwise I think I'm going to propose this redirect for deletion. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 18:03, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes, Cardi B will be on the song. It comes up when the snippet is shazamed [1]. An RfD would be quite a pointless exercise as this will be released in less than 24 hours.--NØ 18:07, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
You're right, just saw it shows up for Shazam. Thanks! Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 18:09, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

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Reviewer: MarioSoulTruthFan (talk · contribs) 11:20, 1 September 2019 (UTC)


To begin with, on the lead we avoid links, so I would add them to the prose and being honest not sure why they are there as I see it as a given. "Daytrip's David Biral and Denzel Baptiste, Roy Lenzo, and Russ Chell" → all of these people belong to the production team? As I was reading the infobox it doesn't look like that. Speaking of the Background and composition more "meat" could and should be added to the latter some stuff could be taken from the section below, as I will point out.

Regarding the Critical reception section, there are major flaws with the inclusion of a blog "Jezebel", furthermore some of the reviews stat not only their opinion but talk about the composition of the song which could be moved to the paragraph above, take a look at the Rolling Stone review as an example. The chart performance section is quite incomplete, as it only mentions four countries and the song charted in 15 different countries, of course, there is no need to mention all of them, but a couple more so the paragraph doesn't have two sentences. The Credits and personnel section needs to be mentioned in a written paragraph as well. The Greece International Digital needs to be archived on its peak.

In conclusion, this article does not only seemed rushed but is also far from being broad in its coverage as simple there is very few information, not every single article can be a good article. On top of that, this song is fairly recent and, who knows, it might become a single in the future and will have more coverage by then. Failing. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:10, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

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Reviewer: Kyle Peake (talk · contribs) 05:44, 4 May 2020 (UTC)


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This article looks a lot better than when MarioSoulTruthFan reviewed it in September 2019, will do a review myself soon. --Kyle Peake (talk) 05:44, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

  • Remove the formats from the infobox as they are not sourced anywhere in the article, plus this wasn't a single release anyway
  • Target Hip hop to Hip hop music
  • Change country trap to having no dash and being wikilinked to itself
  • There is too much information in the lead for one paragraph; I will point out myself where you should split to the second para
  • "the former's debut EP 7 (2019)." → "the former's debut EP, 7 (2019)."
  • "It was written by Montero Hill and Belcalis Almánzar," → "The song was written by Lil Nas X and Cardi B," because otherwise this reads like you are talking about the EP and we do not need to mention the real names of the performing artists for any reason as they are not mentioned by them anywhere apart from the writing credits in this article
  • Change Jordan Thorpe to Pardison Fontaine
  • "the latter four produced the song" → "the latter four produced it"
  • "Musically, "Rodeo" is a country trap song" → "Musically, the song is a country trap track"
  • "with surf trumpet and a reverbed" → "with a surf trumpet and reverbed"
  • "which has been compared" → "the latter of which has been compared"
  • Add what was wrote negatively of after you mention the praise for Cardi B's verse, since it is stated that the reviews were mixed.
  • "It debuted at number 22" → ""Rodeo" debuted at number 22" and start the second para with the sentence including this
  • ", reaching charts in a few other" → "and reached charts in numerous other"
  • "Lil Nas X and Cardi B were sued" → "Lil Nas X and Cardi B, among others, were sued" since they are the two most notable that were sued
  • "who claimed that "Rodeo" plagiarized a song" → "with the two of them claiming that the song plagiarized a track"
  • "A remix of "Rodeo" with American rapper Nas" → "A remix of the former with Lil Nas X and American rapper Nas" since there's no Cardi B
  • Mention the release was digital download as well streaming services, with the appropriate wikilinks
  • "as a single on January 30, 2020" → "as a single on January 27, 2020"
  • "aided by a live performance by Lil Nas X and Nas" → "after a live performance by Lil Nas X and Nas of the remix"
  • "on January 26, 2020" → "the previous day"
  • Remove the ref since that info is already sourced in the body and an artist's Instagram isn't a reliable source anyway

Background and composition

  • "to Take a Daytrip, the" → "to Take a Daytrip, the duo of David Biral and Denzel Baptiste, the" to introduce the duo sooner and allow the succeeding content to make more sense
  • Remove wikilink on Lil Nas X since this is overlinking
  • "was the first part they completed" → "was the first part the three of them completed"
  • "which was posted to the singer's" → "which was posted to Lil Nas X's"
  • "and drew three million views" → "and had received around three million views"
  • "was completed a month and a half later" → "was completed one month and a half later"
  • Remove wikilink on Cardi B since this is overlinking
  • Mention that the verse was texted only a few days prior, since that is different from the announcement mentioned in the second para
  • "It was written by Montero Hill and Belcalis Almánzar" → "The song was written by Lil Nas X and Cardi B" as otherwise seems like you mean Cardi's verse
  • Change Jordan Thorpe to Pardison Fontaine
  • "Russ Chell and Take a Daytrip's David Biral and Denzel Baptiste," → "Russ Chell, Biral, and Baptiste,"
  • "tracklist for his debut EP 7 (2019)." → "tracklist for 7."
  • Uproxx should not be italicised
  • "which Williams thought was" → "which Williams thought were"
  • "The song has a reverbed" → "The song includes a reverbed"
  • Seperate wikilinks to Country music and Trap music on country-trap should be removed and not replaced with anything
  • Are you sure the closing sentence of the second para shouldn't come before the one about the guitar riff of "Rodeo"?

Reception

  • "received generally positive reviews" → "was met with generally positive reviews" to avoid repetitive wording
  • The overview is correct though, since this section represents generally positive a lot more than it does mixed
  • "describing it as" → "describing the former as"
  • Place the HotNewHipHop review as the last one since it is a mixed review, and begin the sentence with "In a mixed review, Erika..."
  • Would think that Jezebel is unreliable, but it's a women's blog so doesn't violate WP:SELFPUB
  • "yeehaw energy as his big hit", and" → "yeehaw energy" as Lil Nas X's single "Old Town Road" (2019), and"
  • "Nina Braca of" → "Nina Braca from"
  • "called Cardi B's verse" → "labelled Cardi B's verse"
  • NPR and AllMusic should not be italicised
  • "wrote that it gets" → "wrote that the song gets"
  • Add wikilink on Sony Music Entertainment
  • "stated that "Rodeo" uses" → "stated that the former uses" since we don't want to be typing out song titles too much
  • "of "Broad Day" and features similar instrumentation" → "of the song and features similar instrumentation to it"
  • "alleged that "Broad Day" was" → "alleged that the song was"
  • "Atlanta hip-hop scene."" → "Atlanta hip-hop scene"."
  • "denied these claims" → "denied the claims"
  • "the allegedly infringed work."" → "the allegedly infringed work"."

Commercial performance

  • "the US Billboard Hot 100 chart of July 6, 2019, on the release of its parent EP 7" → "the US Billboard Hot 100 for the issue date of July 6, 2019, following the release of 7"" since we know that's the EP that includes the track
  • "The song was eventually certified platinum" → "The track was later certified platinum" for less usages of "the song" as it's repetitive
  • Change RIAA to being mentioned as Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) here
  • Cite the ref directly from the cert table instead and add the date that the song was certified to close the sentence.
  • Add MC in brackets after Music Canada mention, but you don't need the certification date here since it is directly after the other sentence so no overkill
  • ""Rodeo" charted at number" → "The track charted at number"
  • Prose looks mostly good in this sentence but sure the Latvia chart doesn't have a name?
  • "The song reached a high of number 72 in Australia" → "The song peaked at number 72 on the ARIA Singles chart"
  • "and number 6" → "and number six" per MOS:NUMBERS

Credits and personnel

  • Good

Charts

Weekly charts

  • Shouldn't the singlechart template be used for Australia, New Zealand, and US Billboard Hot 100 charts?
  • Why is Cardi B's chart history used for Canada instead of Lil Nas X? Should be the latter for consistency.
  • Are you sure Sweden Heatseeker isn't Sweden Heatseekers?

Year-end charts

  • Good

Certifications

  • Use the correct formatting for citing the certifications instead of linking to the homepages of the searchable databases

Lil Nas X and Nas remix

  • Retitle to Remix since this was the only official one and is the only remix mentioned in the article
  • Target hip hop to Hip hop music and country trap should be self-targeted, with no dash either
  • "A remix with American rapper Nas" → "A remix of "Rodeo" by Lil Nas X and American rapper Nas"
  • Target streaming services to Streaming media
  • Mention that the release was simultaneous with the digital download one
  • Wikilink lyric video to itself
  • "of the collaboration, that it" → "of the collaboration that it"
  • "It was serviced" → "The remix was serviced"
  • The source doesn't mention contemporary hit radio whatever so just change the prose to saying "single to radio stations across Italy"
  • "on January 31" → "on January 31, 2020"
  • "stating that it adds" → "stating that the remix adds"
  • "performed the remix" → "performed the former" to avoid too many uses of "the remix"
  • "a day before its release" → "a day before its US release" to avoid confusion with the Italy release
  • "The version reached number" → "The remix reached number"
  • "on the" → "on Belgium's"
  • "on the Ultratip Wallonia chart in Belgium" → "on the country's Ultratip Wallonia chart"
  • "Additionally, it charted at number" → "It peaked at number" since no rises to later peak positions are mentioned here or referenced in the table below
  • The remix actually charted at number 74 on the Hot 100 so fix this and mention the billing of the artist as "Lil Nas X featuring Cardi B or Nas", because the given ref supports this and the lead is currently OR without that labelling info being written out here too.
  • Mention that the video was released for the remix to avoid confusion, since you have not stated that at all
  • "It was directed by" → "The former was directed by"
  • Maybe add at the end of the above sentence "and released for the remix of the song" since it wasn't know until the vid was released that it'd be for the remix?
  • "begins with him receiving" → "begins with Lil Nas X receiving"
  • "is thrown into the matrix" → "is then thrown into the matrix" and target the matrix here to Prenex normal form, since this mention is about the logic not the movie
  • "He offers Lil Nas X a choice" → "He offers the former a choice"
  • "absence from it" → "absence from the visual"
  • "stated that she could not make it because" → "stated that she could not appear because"
  • The video for the remix should be mentioned in the lead, I believe?
  • Wikilink on Consequence of Sound is not needed
  • "stated that it is a" → "stated that the music video is a"

Track listing

  • Good

Charts

  • Good

Release history

  • Remove Italy since that isn't contemporary hit and something like "radio" being left is too broad.
Why do you claim that the source is not "contemporary hit"? It has always been. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 02:13, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
MarioSoulTruthFan So any Italian radio source is contemporary hit, and I was wrong? --Kyle Peake (talk) 04:49, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Not any! This one is. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:49, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Either change Various to United States, or use the multiple ref template to cite various iTunes releases of the song.
  • Remove streaming from the formats of the above release, since the ref doesn't mention that.
  • Add streaming separately to the table, but with the same date though definitely have this one as various and use the Spin ref.
  • Ref(s) should be centered.

References

  • Archive all of these, using the Fix dead links button under page history.
  • Copyvio score is fine.
  • NPR and AllMusic should not be italicised on refs 11 and 12, respectively.
  • Remove wikilink to Pitchfork on ref 13.
  • IFPI Charts should be cited as publisher on ref 27 and targeted to IFPI Greece.
  • Remove wikilink to Recorded Music NZ on ref 44.
  • Remove wikilink to Consequence of Sound on ref 51.
  • Change (Audio video) to saying (Audio) since we know it's a video if on YT and the title is kind of misleading currently.

Further comments

  • You haven't responded to some of the comments properly; either read through this article to see which I mean, or I will point them out myself if requested. I have more comments below, however. --Kyle Peake (talk) 02:12, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
  • "of a million copies" → "of a million certified units" under Commercial performance
  • Mention under the Remix section that the digital download release was in the US, while streaming was in various countries
  • Add ref 51 at the end of that sentence too for verifying both claims
  • Ref 39 has not been invoked; re-add that to the article after you removed it accidentally by following through with the deletion of Italy from release history
  • "and features similar instrumentation" → *"and features similar instrumentation to it"
  • "A remix of "Rodeo" by Lil Nas X and American rapper Nas was released for digital downlad and streaming on January 27, 2020, accompanied by an animated lyric video" I complained about this sentence above but you did not respond, change it to something like "A remix of "Rodeo" by Lil Nas X and American rapper Nas was released for digital downlad in the United States and streaming in various countries on January 27, 2020, accompanied by an animated lyric video"
  • It was digitally released everywhere at the same time, so saying it was a "US release" would mislead the readers. I have added sources for both NZ and US in response to that comment.--NØ 05:08, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Final comments and verdict

  •  On hold for a week, hope you can fix these issues soon and glad to see an early response to my initial comments!
  • Hi Kyle, I was glad to see such a swift review as well. I believe I addressed everything, the Australia singlechart template couldn't be used since for some reason the resultant link does not verify the chart entry, and there is no template for the NZ Hot Singles Chart (which is different from New Zealand Top 40) as far as I remember.--NØ 21:30, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Pop smoke

Who killed pop smoke Tlalinator maxasa (talk) 09:56, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

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