Talk:River (Joni Mitchell song)

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Merge/separate

Please note : The is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs/coverversions with the purpose of trying to establish a standard rule for merge/separate different version of the same song. Please make known your feelings on the matter. --Richhoncho (talk) 14:29, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Jingle Bells"

The article claims: "The piano accompaniment to the vocal borrows heavily from the tune to the 19th-century winter song "Jingle Bells"." But isn't this self-evident? Do we really need a source? Isn't that like requesting a source for the claim "Rothko's Untitled (Black on Grey) has a lot of black and grey in it?" Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:11, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't borrow "heavily" from Jingle Bells. It uses the first 4 bars of the chorus from Jingle bells a few times throughout -- that's it. Not what I would call "heavy" borrowing.

Heavy borrowing is Spillman's version of "Away In A Manger", that he pretty much lifted bodily from "Flow Gently Sweet Afton". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.253 (talk) 01:50, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Never released as a single"

If Mitchell's version was "never released as a single", how did it get to No 75 in Scotland? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:41, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Official charts don't take that into account for some reason, so downloads from the album would count. DanTheMusicMan2 (talk) 13:21, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Martinevans123: The Scottish entry is from late last year. I'm sure you're well aware downloads and streams are taken into account for charts now, and songs nowadays do not have to be released as singles in order to chart—any song released commercially, whether part of an album or on its own, can chart. Ss112 13:27, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes. It must be my old-school view of the world as albums/ singles dichotomy. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:57, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]