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2009, SWAT contest

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In 2009, RAID was the only non US team of 27 teams competing in a SWAT contest, and finished 5th.^[1]

^ "Les policiers du RAID participent à un exercice tactique à San Francisco". France-Amériques (in French). 29 October 2009. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |trans_title= ignored (|trans-title= suggested) (help)

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Requested move 17 April 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved to RAID (French Police unit) - the main objections were for the version without "unit", that it wasn't recognizable. The consensus otherwise is that the current title is made up, and not used, it is always known as RAID. — Amakuru (talk) 20:08, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Research, Assistance, Intervention, Deterrence → ~~RAID (French Police)~~ RAID (French Police unit) – Per WP:COMMONNAME. "RAID (French Police) is unambiguous, precise and more recognisable than the current title. "Research, Assistance, Intervention, Deterrence" isn't the unit's name but an English translation. Even in French, the full name :"Recherche, Assistance, Intervention, Dissuasion" is never used but at least it is a correct denomination but the English, non-abbreviated form doesn't make sense. Should only be noted as a literally translation of French non-abbreviated form. --Domenjod (talk) 21:47, 17 April 2016 (UTC) --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 00:39, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose just because RAID (French Police) is not recognizably about something other than a an all-capped raid. It's not such a familiar acronym that we can expect people to recognize it. Dicklyon (talk) 22:09, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment it isn't recognizable, since the French police make police raids all the time -- 70.51.45.100 (talk) 04:45, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment and question. As the originator of the proposal, I would like to :
- comment on the above remarks : Good points but the current title still doesn't fit as it is only a literal translation of the French non-abbreviated form and I doubt anybody will enter these words in a search engine.
- ask the following question : Would RAID (French Police unit) be a better title? It was my first idea but I thought it was a bit long. As shorter alternatives, RAID (Police unit) or RAID (French unit seem good too (and - in my opinion - far better than the current title anyway). I think we should keep the word "RAID" in the title in any case since this is how the unit is identified by the media (even if it is not necessarily well known worldwide) . Any opinion or suggestion please? Thanks & regards, --Domenjod (talk) 10:40, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  I would opposed using the acronym at all. It is not sufficiently well known; we prefer to avoid obscure acronyms as titles. Dicklyon (talk) 02:41, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I was invited to this discussion by Domenjod, so I am not going to "vote" either way.

However I disagree with your comment, Dicklyon. It might be that the unit is not "sufficiently well known", but "RAID" is certainly the most common name for the unit. "Research, Assistance, Intervention, Deterrence" is much less common, and as a result, not very recognisable even to someone who knows of the unit. That said, due to its ambiguity, "RAID" alone isn't widely recognisable either. I think something like "National Police RAID unit" should be considered.

Rob984 (talk) 07:28, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

To Dicklyon. Thanks for the input but, if I understand your point, you seem to prefer keeping the current title although is doesn't mean anything at all. Please remember it is just an English translation of a group of French words (Recherche, Assistance, Intervention, Dissuasion) that, even in France, nobody uses ! Would you enter theses words in a search engine if you wanted to find out about the unit and you didn't remember the name? RAID might not be as famous as DELTA but that's how the media and general public identify it. Hence my amended proposal for RAID (French Police unit).

To Rob984. Thanks for your input. I Agree, RAID should not be left alone due its ambiguity. However, I don't think "National Police RAID unit" is the best choice as only those who know that there is a "National Police" and a "National Gendarmerie" in France will understand why the word "National" is in the title. So, if a four-word title isn't too much, I'd stick with RAID (French Police unit) which, by the way, are the very words I would enter in a search engine.

Best regards to all. --Domenjod (talk) 11:30, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Appears to be the clear common name for the unit and the addition of "French Police" makes it far more recognisable – "Research, Assistance, Intervention, Deterrence" means nothing to anyone. Readers are discerning enough to realise the difference between "RAID" and a "raid". Jenks24 (talk) 13:26, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello User:Jenks24 Thanks for your input. As the originator of the proposal, I am thinking of changing it from : RAID (French Police) to RAID (French Police unit) to take into account the criticism expressed above. Problem : I don't know how to do it and the discussion seems stalled since I made the counter-proposal. Since you are an administrator, can I ask your help on this issue (and, by the way, would you also support the amended proposal? Thank you in advance, Bruno --Domenjod (talk) 14:10, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Domenjod: I've altered the nomination for you and, yes, I'm happy to support the altered proposal. Hopefully we should reach a resolution here soon – requested moves had quite a backlog for a while but is reasonably under control now so we should soon see either a bit more participation or an admin making a decision on what the consensus is. But if you're interested in trying to generate more participation yourself, you could always leave a neutrally worded invitation at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Law Enforcement and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject France. Jenks24 (talk) 14:21, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Jenks24:. Thanks. Will do. --Domenjod (talk) 15:02, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support for the altered proposal. As the originator, I am convinced that : 1- it is clear enough, that 2- the addition of the word "unit" to turn it into "RAID (French Police unit)" not only makes it more recognisable but also clears any ambiguity that could result from the initial proposal – and 3- by the way "Research, Assistance, Intervention, Deterrence" still means nothing to anyone. --Domenjod (talk) 14:39, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] "Les policiers du RAID participent à un exercice tactique à San Francisco". France-Amériques (in French). 29 October 2009. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |trans_title= ignored (|trans-title= suggested) (help)

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