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AfD?

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Doesn't this article seem a little NPOV?

Molossia is one of the smallest nations on earth, but what it lacks in size it makes up for in spirit. A sense of humor characterizes most Molossian people, which, coupled with the casual and comfortable western lifestyle, makes Molossia an enjoyable place to visit.

Also, the claims in the article aren't entirely verifiable, as many of them are made either directly or (see Lonely Planet Guide) indirectly by the subject. (Plus, they're a bit ridiculous: a four-person nation at war?)

On 22 May 2006, Molossia was attacked by the nearby small nation of Mustachistan, resulting in a brief war with that nation. That war ended on 8 June 2006, with a resounding Molossian victory.

Examination of Molossia's website will reveal photographs purporting to be of Mustachistani forces which are undoubtedly those of 'President' Baugh and his son, Molossia's supposed enemy in the 'war'. Surely this is a role playing game involving dressing up in fancy dress and playing childish games, and has no place in a serious encyclopaedia. This isn't a AfD proposal, but the article looks a lot like a vanity page. So, if this article remains as it is, maybe an AfD nomination isn't completely out of the quesion. --75.108.162.241 22:55, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would certainly support an AFD proposal. I almost AFDed when I was new page patrolling, but I decided against it based on the fact that all of these micronations seem to end up with the result of no consensus after big fights on their AFDs (This is a baised sample though, given that micronations which are delted wouldn't be in the list of micronations... hmmm... Irongargoyle 23:04, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is no reason to delete the article, Molossia is a respected, legitimate and well known micronation, the article just needs to be cleaned up a little. -Retep412 9/17/06

Molossia is one of the better known whimsical micronations, and has received extensive coverage in the print and electronic media over many years. Proposed AFD would not be appropriate. The article does need lots of work tho. --125.253.33.101 20:00, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The article seems NPOV? Isn't that a good thing? I like this article! ;) -Laikalynx (talk) 21:10, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


I have invstigated Molossia, and have concluded that there never was a Mustachistan, because on their website, all it is about is the "war with mollossia" http://www.freewebs.com/mustachistan/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Produde94 (talk • contribs)

Cleanup needed

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This article is written "in universe", and it bears 3 maintenance templates. It needs to be improved to meet WP:NPOV, WP:NOR, WP:RS and WP:V, or it will be nominated for deletion. --kingboyk 22:48, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If the article is kept, it still needs cleaning. For example, it says things like "Molossia is one of the smallest nations on earth." Well, not really, because to my knowledge it's not recognised as a nation. That should read claims to be. Also, if (and I don't know, but some people have said on the AfD) it's supposed to be a joke or a bit of lighthearted fun, the article should say so.

Finally, I've been informed that it has a sizeable chapter in the Lonely Planet Micronations book. Can somebody, then, please add the page numbers to the reference to make that apparent? (e.g. "pp100-109"). --kingboyk 15:27, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV

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I have marked this article as NPOV. It appears to have been written by the author of this nation (as indeed, the image uploader claims to be the author). I derive this claim from the fact that no neutral information about this "republic" is presented - it's presented as a de facto state, when it isn't so whatsoever. There are no third party mentions of this "republic" whatsoever. The Evil Spartan 19:17, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV restored due to highly critical bias. "He thinks he has a state, but he doesn't." etc - needs to be rewritten. Etoile ✩ (talk) 12:41, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Should this be a candidate for deletion?

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Please delete, I thought Wikipedia was a serious page, might as well add imaginary worlds children dream up.

If i started my own page on my backgarden as a micronation wouldn't that get deleted? This is absurd and as such should be deleted. it is not even recognised by the USA. 86.137.38.2 (talk) 12:38, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I completely agree, this is a silly and pointless page Philbuck222 (talk) 12:39, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have a hard enough time convincing friends and family to use Wikipedia, and pages like this don't help. So some attention starved person in Nevada likes to pretend he has his own country. Who cares. Please get this off Wikipedia. Scottrick49 (talk) 14:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not if your backgarden received coverage in a published book and a number of newspaper articles, television programs, etc. Been there, done that, survived the AfD. Molossia meets Wikipedia's notability guideline. PubliusFL (talk) 17:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Let's not forget that, technically, anybody who wishes to start their own country can under the Montevideo Convention. I've done a lot of cleaning up on this page. I see no reason why it should be deleted.--Lowbudgetmoviecritic (talk) 21:00, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's settled it, I'm going to create my own micronation when I get back from work. Viva la revolutione! Philbuck222 (talk) 08:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Go for it! If you get non-trivial coverage in multiple reliable sources, let us know and we'll even write up a Wikipedia article for you. :) PubliusFL (talk) 16:43, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh don't worry I will. First thing I'll do is Declare War on the Republic of Molossia and get papers to write about that! Philbuck222 (talk) 17:31, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This should be deleted. Perhaps another go at AFD? The coverage in the refs appears to be passing reference or sources lacking independence from the subject. Fails WP:N. Edison (talk) 20:36, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent. Let's get this article deleted! One more article that has been unduly created that will now be deleted. The quality of wikipedia will strive! Philbuck222 (talk) 22:04, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I was in the paper once when I was 3 years old. Can I have my own Wikipedia article? No, seriously though - this is nonsense. Let's delete it. Bazonka (talk) 21:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Although there is a great deal of controversy surrounding the legitimacy of Molossia, it has been mentioned several times in print, television and online. Although a cleanup could certianly be useful, it would be pointless to delete the article.--Spymoviefan (talk) 23:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I cleaned up the article and added some NPOV content and then Spymoviefan deleted it with more in-universe style promo. I reverted. -Colfer2 (talk) 04:01, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Spymoviefan (talk · contribs) continues to delete my NPOV edits, I continue to revert. Would any other editors like to try to improve this article? One edit Spy makes is to remove the adjective "humorous" describing the news coverage. The word seems accurate to me. Other opinions? -Colfer2 (talk) 04:20, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If there is non-trivial coverage about this in multiple reliable sources then they should be in the article. Currently all we have as a reliable source is the Lonely Planet guide. Unless the sourcing is improved, the article is liable to be deleted. (BTW wikinews is not usually consider a reliable source) Nil Einne (talk) 08:54, 2 May 2008 (UTC)Ooops I just noticed the article has several references in a seperate references section. Ideally the references should be converted to inline but as it stands it seems the subject is noteable Nil Einne (talk) 08:58, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've done quite a bit of editing on this artilce today, adding sources and images, creating new subjects, adding links, etc. I think it would be best to keep it this way for the time being, until new information can be added. I tried to make it more NPOV, as the previous version was, in my opinion, downplaying Molossia as little more than a joke. Although the country may be humorous, the people there appear to take themselves seriously. It would only be decent to respect their views. The current article does not glorify Molossia, it only delivers the facts straight from their website and other sources. --Spymoviefan (talk) 01:48, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I reverted the edits were were entirely non-NPOV, without reliable sources, nor an external perspective. Humorous, but it seems Spymovie fan should develop his or her own wiki project for Molossia where he or she can develop his or her ideas without hindrance. -Colfer2 (talk) 04:41, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I undid Colfer2's edit as the previous version was written by Philbuck222, who has stated that he wants this article to be deleted, and therefore did not make an NPOV contribution to it. I see nothing that glorifies Molossia in my version, everything is taken straight from the Molossian Government's website. It would appear that there is a great deal of bias towards Molossia from Wikipedians, which is evident on this discussion page.--Spymoviefan (talk) 00:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Refs from Molossia.org are not neutral. Nor would an article about the USA be based solely on White House press releases. Get real colonel, I am trying to save this article. Your edits will lead to its deletion. -Colfer2 (talk) 07:37, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is a cesspool of lobbyists and special interest groups who gatekeep "serious" articles. We need a little brevity. Also, taking wikipedia seriously is a big no no. Noobie mistake.

-G — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.44.123.204 (talk) 22:23, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly, they're just trying to basically act like its justice to get this page deleted when it has a frequent number of sources and news coverage to get a page 68.57.163.100 (talk) 02:54, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Flag

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I've noticed that Molossian flag resembles that of Uzbekistan. Any connection between two of 'em? 89.236.214.174 (talk) 13:22, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No. However, they turned the Sierra Leone flag upside down so they wouldn't have to sew one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.14.204.253 (talk) 20:31, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The flag is identical to the one of Ladinia, which measures 1,200 square kilometers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.7.112.133 (talk) 15:36, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

it could be the upside down sierra... sorry somebody has already mentioned this. 68.204.89.203 (talk) 00:51, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Chicago Tribune did a Video Tour

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/video/?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=2650677 --TIB (talk) 16:39, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Tribune source also says Molossia was in fact named after the Greek tribe, contrary to what this article says. Kristamaranatha (talk) 02:40, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My fault. The name Molossia did in fact originally come the nation of the same name in ancient Greece. However, after a 3:00 AM phone call from some obnoxious Greek journalists, wherein they accused me of stealing their nation's history, I decided that I'd better change the story for my own protection. They were quite angry. Thus I divorced the name from its original roots and declared that it came from the Spanish word "moro". In the course of the interview this slipped my mind, and I reported the original origin. I'd rather we stick with the Spanish explanation, thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Molossia (talk • contribs) 16:24, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed Deletion (Dated prod template)

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Editor Palewook (talk · contribs) proposed the article for deletion, using the Template:Dated prod, for uncontroversial deletion candidates. I reverted, because WP:Proposed deletion#How to nominate requires:

In this case the reason was "fictional country." I am reverting because there was no edit summary, nor any entry on this talk page to explain the editor's reasoning. This reversion deletes the template, which is equivalent to objecting to the deletion as uncontroversial. -Colfer2 (talk) 14:51, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note after I wrote this there was an edit conflict with an anonymous IP making the same removal of the template. -Colfer2 (talk) 15:01, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tax

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Being that Molossia is sovereign, must it pay property tax to Lyon County in Nevada? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.165.109 (talk) 04:11, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As a point of clarification, Molossia lies in Storey County, Nevada, not Lyon County, Nevada, even though the street address is Dayton, Nevada. It's complicated. As I don't want to edit an article about my own country, perhaps someone could correct that for me on the article page. And, yes, we pay our taxes - which we call "foreign aid". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Molossia (talk • contribs) 21:02, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In universe / POV content

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There is presently a significant amount of "in universe" and POV content within this article:

  • The reference to the "intermicronational games" and "international world exposition" are unverifiable and should be removed completely. These were not real or noteworthy events in any case, but merely a couple of web pages on the Molossian website.
  • The "government" section is highly POV. Terms such as "government", "laws" and "foreign relations" need to be removed completely.
  • References to meetings with other micronation leaders, "recognition" of other micronations etc is in-universe content that should be removed.
  • The article tone suggests that Molossia has the potential to be a "real" microstate on an equal footing with Andorra, San Marino and the like. It should instead emphasise the fact that it is considered to be a sort of quirky, eccentric slightly humorous 1-man art project by most observers and commentators.

Unless anyone has any particular objections I propose implementing the above changes. --Gene poole (talk) 00:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge proposal

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Agree, Kevin Baugh should merge into Republic of Molossia. That is his notability. -Colfer2 (talk) 21:40, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agree - reliable sources have very little to base an article on aside from his connection to Molossia. PubliusFL (talk) 21:48, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agree - per both of the the above. --Gene poole (talk) 00:45, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agree - Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 10:02, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agree - Dwr12 (talk) 07:20, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree - A president and his county should be separate. --Megapen (talk) 22:05, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agree - Mjatucla (talk) 19:01, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree - per Megapen. Calebrw (talk) 19:23, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree - They are totally diferent. A nation and their liders should not be in one article. --Erick91 (talk) --Erick91 (talk) 00:54, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is not an article about a nation or its national leader. It is an article about a micronation. The person who created that micronation has not done anything else in their life that is sufficiently notable that the creation of a separate article is in any way justifiable. We do not simply repeat the same information in multiple different articles because people feel like it. Redundant content should always be merged. Please provide evidence that Mr Baugh is noteworthy for something other than being associated with his micronation if you wish to present a rational case for the retention of 2 separate articles. --Gene poole (talk) 04:24, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. When I first started the article, I thought it was a good idea and I planned to make articles for even more micronationalists. However, now that I think about it, I think that it isn't notable enough and that pages on micronationalists should be on the another page that I created, List of leaders of micronations. --Micromaster (talk) 21:56, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

vandalism

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What was this like two minutes ago Mr. bsrboy? There is nothing in the history but I have made a screen shot. --Lofor (talk) 14:54, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Legitimacy

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Do we really need to have the section on the Legitimacy of Molossia ? All it does is point out obvious facts that make it not a real country. Or would that be blasphamy considering the people of Wikipedia NEED to have every fact down ? Also, the section on the talk page that talks about possible deletion of this article is idiotic. All it does is prove that the Wiki-Dogs have no sense of fun and whimsy. The Wiki-Nazi's hate anything that they cannot add to their pompous dictionary of knowledge that they each own. I went off topic, but seriously, do we need that Section ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.233.168.165 (talk) 21:01, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes we do. --Gene poole (talk) 02:50, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Great answer. I figured that seeing as how I questioned the wisdom of the Wiki-dogs that I would get no answer. But you have no idea how pleased I am that the great Wiki-Dogs have taken time out of their busy schedule to respond to me. Thank you oh conceited one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.233.168.165 (talk) 03:14, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to get yourself permanently banned, posting personal abuse is a great way to go about it. --Gene poole (talk) 05:26, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh please, oh please Massa please don't ban me. I just don't know what I would do if I wasn't able to edit and discuss with other Wikipedia people. Jeez, you really think I'm afraid of being banned ? This is proof of what Wikipedia really is. It claims to be "for the people" but in reality it's a small group of hand selected individuals who spend hours deciding for us on what happens with Wikipedia and when someone speaks out against this tyranny they are threatened —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.250.5 (talk) 20:25, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

People like to fill these articles with fluff to keep the incredibly stupid from falling behind... y'know, like a real encylopedia. Just look at the way Wikipedia collectively craps itself whenever something about a work of fiction is added that requires some background on the fictional world it takes place in. 198.7.245.75 (talk) 06:31, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The ChicagoTribune link appears to be dead. 86.156.237.206 (talk) 23:27, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of Name

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Molossia claims its name is derived from a Spanish word "Morro", yet an archived version of the website clearly claims a link to the ancient Greek Molossia, albeit a very tenuous link via the President's Italian great-grandfather. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThorgilsSkarthi (talk • contribs) 19:01, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Molossia and That Guy With The Glasses

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With Molossia being featured in the second anniversary video of the popular website That Guy With The Glasses, this article deserves a little close watching because their fans will try to edit the article. Suggestion: At most, the "invasion" by the That Guy With the Glasses reviewers deserves a brief mention here, no more than 2-3 sentences (sourced, of course). The bulk of the details should go to the That Guy With The Glasses page. Individual episode summaries need to go to List of The Nostalgia Critic episodes. RaiderRich2001 (talk) 13:19, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If the invasion is being conducted with Baugh's involvement, it definitely deserves mention. The trailer for the upcoming episode appears to have footage of him, whether it is new or found and repurposed is unknown by me at this time. - Some Guy who needs glasses. If this site is owned and operated by Mollosian Officials - http://www.molossia.org/article202.html - it looks like this production is Mollosia's first "feature" film lmao. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.235.186.51 (talk) 14:56, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Conisdering the Molassia website mentions the invasion as well, then yes, it should get a breif mention.Wild ste (talk) 17:31, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Membership?

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It says the membership is 11, but is that the same as population? Like anyone can declare membership through the internet or something, but how many live on the property? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.8.8.19 (talk) 15:24, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

War with East Germany

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On the official Molossia page, it mentions that for the last 9,600 days or so, Molossia as been at war with the German Democratic Republic. Should we put that in the foreign relations section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.176.194.246 (talk) 02:49, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That country does not exist anymore, and is now part of Germany. I do not know what happens with wars when one party gets unified into a new country, but I don't suppose they are at war with Germany now? - Redmess (talk) 09:43, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, they have issued war bonds, maybe they are fighting with the east region of Germany. It is also doubtful because of the number of members of Molossia. Even if every Molossian fought in the Molossian army or in one of its militias, they would have been wiped out. However, I will make a section on this "war". Thanks, Steve T. R.! — Preceding unsigned comment added by SomeDudeWithAUserName (talk • contribs)

Dependency questions

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The article doesn't go into details about whether Molossia pays taxes to the United States, or whether they rely on the U.S. to provide utilities, etc. To be fair, I'm not sure if any of the "micronation" articles address this topic. But is the information available? -BaronGrackle (talk) 21:58, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nostalgia Critic non-notable?

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I for one never heard of this place until the Channel Awesome internet movie. I'd imagine I'm not the only one. The event has been mentioned on the Molossia official website blog. So, what would make it notable? -BaronGrackle (talk) 13:41, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Probably Molossia's statement about it. Look. Nobody cares what you don't know. It's the only thing that's happened to the Republic in years. It's notable the way Monaco getting an outbreak of avian flu would be. Your pal, Captain Not-Notable already deleted it, like any good vandal, without discussion. Problem solved. 198.7.245.75 (talk) 06:26, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
EDIT: Nevermind; I see you're just a school IP. -BaronGrackle (talk) 13:50, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And now that we've seen the wit of someone who must have thought that was a "sick ice burn" when it was still in his head, only to come out... well... as written, do you have anything to add concerning the article? 198.7.245.75 (talk) 02:22, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Someone else restored the information already. Thanks, though. -BaronGrackle (talk) 13:34, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ayleron Nation's Attempt to Take Over Molossia Republic.

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Ayleron President Had Try to Take Over Molossia. East Germany & Ayleron are Same Micronarions, Ayleron's Nickname is East Germany. Ayleron Republic's Membership is 8000 of Communists & Anti-Americans.

Ayleron Presidential Aide.

Ayleron Republic is Mother of All Micronations Also the Ayleron Republic claims to formed an country on December 1 7001? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.188.106.35 (talk) 02:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Get a life. 89.182.49.50 (talk) 22:26, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
LOL what is this Negativecharge (talk) 18:47, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And thus we see why no one takes Wikipedia seriously...

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Some bored guy creates a page about his silly hobby, and all the Wikilawyers get into purse-fights over the legitimacy of sources and who reverted what.

Delete this whole silly collection of crap. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.228.163.132 (talk) 20:59, 4 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What an embarrassment!!! Mare Nostrum 10:07, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Delete

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Molossia is far less notable than other articles that have been deleted for being not notable. 174.24.69.137 (talk) 16:52, 11 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OMG DELETE ALREADY!!!

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So some of you had a discussion about whether to delete, and you *DECIDED NOT TO?!!* No doubt, you were on drugs when the determination was made? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.173.49.83 (talk) 10:05, 17 June 2012 (UTC) Mare Nostrum 10:08, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

if you feel that way: request it to be deleted. Jarkeld (talk) 11:23, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I stumbled across this and it's the stupedist thing I've yet seen on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heathcliff (talk • contribs) 01:00, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it is stupid - he's doing what he likes to and he's happy. And famous. --User:OCCullens — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:C50F:6FE0:F81B:CEF5:B48B:2FB4 (talk) 00:02, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, how does this page exist? It's not notable and it's just a tourist spot in the desert. How does this qualify for wikipedia?--Львівське (говорити) 17:53, 7 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's certainly one of the most influential American micronations, and has a strong pop culture presence to boot. Then again, I'm an inclusionist. Uberstadt (talk) 05:41, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

More on in-universe discussion

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Let's please try and keep the Wikipedia article about this project in the context of the real world: they don't have real wars; the tax assessment wasn't an invasion by US forces, and didn't cause any outcry, and people who visit his house don't constitue "international tourism".

And before you call me a killjoy, it's perfectly OK to fun with micronations as a hobby, and even to write encyclopedia-style articles about them. The place for that is at the micronations wiki. --Slashme (talk) 12:32, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As an admin over there, I would like you to please keep us out of this. --User:OCCullens — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:C50F:6FE0:F81B:CEF5:B48B:2FB4 (talk) 00:03, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Axis Powers Hetalia Citations

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I'll leave the link with the official introduction of Molossia in the comic strip "It's a treasure box of countries" (link in Japanese) http://www.geocities.jp/himaruya/tamate.html and just in case the fan translation (take in account that Himaruya explicitly allows fan translation of the strip of his blogs, as long as they don't use scans of the manga volumes) http://www.hetarchive.net/scanlations/nonlinear.php?tamate It would be much appreciated if someone could include them in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.174.6.234 (talk) 15:52, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge with Valora (currency)

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no need of a separate article for the currency of a micronation. Skr15081997 (talk) 07:46, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, especially given the lack of information on the Valora article. Uberstadt (talk) 20:59, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Agree for above mentioned reasons--Witan (talk) 23:23, 17 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Involved editors

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What editors are involved at merging the articles Republic of Molossia and Valora (currency)?

112.198.90.236 (talk) 05:31, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Fan club

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The section on the Molossia fan club cites no sources and bears little relevance to the main topic of the article. I woud like to remove it within 72 hours for these reasons. Is anyone opposed to this? Uberstadt (talk) 06:01, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As I see it, it can be removed. It doesn't add anything of value to the article. Jarkeld (talk) 06:26, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Economy proposal

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Going hand-in-hand with the proposal to merge Valora (currency) into this page, I propose that one section, titled "Economy," be created in this article, consisting of the content of Valora and the current section on the postal service. This puts most economic activity (aside from tourism, which I think warrants its own section) under one heading, and gives the dwarf section that is the postal service a bigger home. Uberstadt (talk) 20:46, 6 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Some bibliography

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I founded this pages: http://www.molossia.org/article409.html http://www.molossia.org/article411.html http://www.molossia.org/article410.html This is an a "true" source? JesusAnt 5 (talk) 03:44, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is pretty amusing.

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Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 06:24, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

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I appreciate the user who added to the lead that Molossia "is a micronation created for comedic value," though still looking at the infobox, the micronation still appears to be a legitimate political entity. The established governments, the currency, the time zone, etc. None of these are verified by any other sources except for the website http://www.molossia.org/. These claims are not backed up by any historian, economist, or any academic professional. I will likely remove these from the infobox if there is no objection. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 15:42, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Notability

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Is this subject really notable enough to have its own Wikipedia article? Primal Groudon (talk) 20:35, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's been nominated for deletion three times (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Republic of Molossia, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Republic of Molossia (2nd nomination), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Republic of Molossia (3rd nomination)). The most recent one was 2020. All three strongly resulted in "keep". So, community consensus is yes, it's notable enough for its own article. You're welcome to nominate it for deletion again if you like. But, it's doubtful such a nomination would result in delete. --Hammersoft (talk) 22:01, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction movement

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I think it would be better that the last parts about paying property tax and his quote should be moved to the history section. it is not a very defining trait that it pays property tax to the county in specific. But the part where it is not entirely his should be kept. Mabye moved as a sort of "in the present day he still pays the government taxes" you know what i mean Bebecoolbro (talk) 04:44, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Future editors: Molossia is not a joke, roleplay, or purposefully fictional story

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Molossia seems to be interpreted by Wikipedia users as a deliberately fictional story or a joke more often than not. I am not asking you to believe that Molossia is on-par with actually recognized microstates. I am not stating that you should take Molossia seriously. However, Kevin Baugh and other proponents of micronations believe their efforts to be real, per interviews and articles written by them. Editing this article to state that it is a joke, satire, roleplay, or a fictional story will cause Baugh and his associates to edit bomb this page. They have previously attempted to start fights on forums and social media sites, as well as harass Wikipedia users, for claiming it is anything but a serious political movement. Adding any information on Molossia's legitimacy (past objectively correct facts, such as being unrecognized by the UN) should be treated as a subjective opinion. It is best that Molossia be left without any indication of it being real or fake, to prevent arguments from both sides. Yes, it is hard to take seriously, but a large group of people- including its leader- take it very seriously. If you wish to debate Molossia's legitmacy, the MicroWiki, a wiki site exclusively operated by micronationalists, can appropriately host information like that. CherriGasoline (talk) 22:38, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any reason to modify our behavior because of the potential threat of Baugh and his associates edit bombing the page. That's already been happening for years anyway, so what's new? Further, protection can deal with that. We only need to follow our own policies on verifiability and the use of reliable, secondary sources to support content in the article. Considerable swaths of content that have been added without these elements in the past have been removed, and will continue to be removed, not matter how much Baugh and his associates try to edit bomb the article. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Territories of Molossia

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Should we include the claimed territories and provinces of Molossia, namely Desert Homestead, Farfalla, and Neptune Deep, in the article and in the land area? The former two are claimed by, and legally owned by, Kevin Baugh, just as the main area is. Neptune Deep is an area in the Indian Ocean (at the antipode of Molossia) which is not legally owned by anyone, but is claimed by Molossia. I think that the first two should definitely be mentioned (and maybe included in the land area), and Neptune Deep should be at least mentioned somewhere. Jlchips (talk) 00:43, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

secessions

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Two editors have added content about secessions from Molossia. Content like that requires independent reliable sources. Sites set up by the seceeding parties are neither independent nor reliable. Reddit (and any other user-generated content) is not a reliable source. Schazjmd (talk) 18:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add pings so the editors are aware: @Photostar625 and Deconos435:. Schazjmd (talk) 18:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, what would be considered independent/reliable? Photostar625 (talk) 17:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Start with the WP:Reliable sources guideline. Schazjmd (talk) 17:54, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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