Talk:Queen Bess

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Requested move 7 August 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 01:28, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Queen Bess → Queen Bess (disambiguation) – The overwhelming historical significance of "Queen Bess" is as a nickname for Elizabeth I, who is in turn the most important topic known by this name. I propose that we move this disambiguation page and redirect the title to the primary topic. BD2412 T 16:55, 7 August 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. Interstellarity (talk) 13:46, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose That Queen Elizabeth is definitely the most notable of the topics under that name should not be in dispute. A fairly common nickname for her was Good Queen Bess (which we note in the article), and so sometimes she is also referred to as just Queen Bess. However, the use of this relatively minor name doesn't seem to be the most helpful for readers given its current usage -- a google search, for example, brings up far more results for non notable topics like video game characters and just as many for other things like the wildlife refuge. So while I'd certainly oppose any other topic being the primary here, and think Queen Elizabeth should be on the top of that disambiguation page, redirecting does not seem like it would be most helpful to readers (not to mention I don't think we want to get even more crowded up at the hatnote).--Yaksar (let's chat) 17:36, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nomination. Clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Any other use quite obviously stems from Elizabeth I. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 03:36, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support as per nom, Roman Spinner. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:12, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Clear primary redirect. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:25, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Other usages stem from a term is not a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC criterion, nor is WP:PERNOM or WP:VAGUEWAVE. Could set up a WP:DABTEST with something like Queen Bess (Elizabeth I) to see if there's any indication that the readership here is looking for her by that title. -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:07, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think a dab test would be super helpful -- if it gave a better sense of usage I would more than happily change my oppose !vote. And yes, agreed, beyond just !votes saying they feel like there is a primary topic, we don't have much to go off here, so this would actually provide some helpful information.--Yaksar (let's chat) 14:43, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Elizabeth I is a clear primary topic. JIP | Talk 17:57, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The use of the term Queen Bess to described Elizabeth I is very dated, and not one many modern readers would use. I wouldn't even have been certain that's what it meant myself, it might also have referred to the present Queen. Even less likely is that anyone would type the term into our search box in the hope of reaching the article on her. It would also mean another distracting hatnote at the top of her article. It is far better for readers to be taken to the dab, with its choice of subjects actually called Queen Bess, which our readers are likely to be seeking, alongside a link to the Queen to cover the rare case where someone really is looking for that. — Amakuru (talk) 06:53, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Google searches for "Queen Bess" indicates that Elizabeth I is not the primary topic. Warhammer, the refuge, the island, the aviator, the public house, and even a brand of hair curlers and a corset maker all arise in the first twenty hits. DrKay (talk) 16:46, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose per Amakuru's point about an extra hatnote. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:23, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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