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A fact from Quách Thị Trang Square appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 30 November 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that a memorial bust (pictured) at Diên Hồng Square commemorates a 15-year-old protestor who was shot dead there?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/November. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Quách Thị Trang Square.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron talk 00:09, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Memorial bust of Quách Thị Trang

... that the memorial bust in front of the well-known Bến Thành Market in Saigon was dedicated to a 15-year-old protestor who died there in 1963? Source: "Quach Thi Trang's murderer sentenced to three-year prison". Vietnam Fights and Builds (10): 13. 1966. and Oka, Takashi (1964). Newsletters about the Vietnamese war sent by Takashi Oka from Vietnam, Japan and Austria to the Institute of Current World Affairs. Institute of Current World Affairs. pp. 6, 10.
- ALT1: ... that the memorial bust dedicated to Quách Thị Trang (pictured), a 15-year-old protestor who was shot dead at Diên Hồng Square in Saigon, was erected during another protest at the same place? https://plo.vn/dung-tuong-quach-thi-trang-truoc-mui-sung-canh-sat-post151256.html, https://giacngo.vn/dung-tuong-quach-thi-trang-truoc-mui-sung-canh-sat-post8928.html (in Vietnamese)
- Reviewed:

Created by Đại Việt quốc (talk). Self-nominated at 00:52, 25 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Quách Thị Trang Square; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

I'll review this. Arcahaeoindris (talk) 13:31, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Happy with ALT1: interesting, verified, article looks fine to me and image is freely licensed. Arcahaeoindris (talk) 09:34, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Arcahaeoindris: Are you going to review this? If you changed your mind and wanted to review another article instead, please remove the template and indicate that clearly. Thanks Đại Việt quốc (talk) 16:17, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Đại Việt quốc: thanks, yes I am and just getting underway. ::on sourcing, to verify the hook, the sources you've listed needs a page number. The article also appears to use different sourcing for this fact.

I'm also not so sure if the hook is that interesting - looking at the article, it mentions that the 15 year old actually died and hence why her statue is there. Perhaps suggest an alt hook to bring in this into it? Arcahaeoindris (talk) 16:41, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Arcahaeoindris: The sources I used for the hook above is ref 8 and 9 in the article, correspondingly, so you can find the page number there. However, if you insist on having the page number here as well, I don't mind doing that. Đại Việt quốc (talk) 17:08, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, since this is my second article nominated (< 5) so QPQ does not apply. Đại Việt quốc (talk) 17:12, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Arcahaeoindris: I just rewrote the hook. If you are still unsure whether it's interesting or not, I really don't know what to say. But FYI, another similar article that I nominated was recently promoted, and you can see it a Talk:Mê Linh Square. Đại Việt quốc (talk) 17:16, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Arcahaeoindris: I just added an alternative hook. Hope this one should be interesting enough... Đại Việt quốc (talk) 07:36, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Đại Việt quốc: thanks for your work and responses! I'm happy to approve ALT1, nice on the added picture too. Arcahaeoindris (talk) 09:34, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Adding

for the bot. Arcahaeoindris, for next time, when you approve a DYK nom you need to add {{subst:DYKtick}} (if you personally checked the source) or {{subst:DYKtickAGF}} (if the source is offline or in a language you don't speak) -- there's a bot that moves pages from unapproved to approved, and it looks for those specific symbols. Vaticidalprophet 10:07, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Đại Việt quốc and Arcahaeoindris: The sources for the hook appear to be non-independent of the bust. Could another source or hook be found? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 23:07, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Theleekycauldron: How about this source then? Thích, Nhật Từ; Nguyễn, Kha (2013). Pháp nạn Phật giáo 1963: Nguyên nhân, bản chất và tiến trình (in Vietnamese). Hồng Đức Publishing House. pp. 508–509. (page 509 has the information) Đại Việt quốc (talk) 23:40, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

tick in good faith :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:06, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes

Yes that is they technology of communication — Preceding unsigned comment added by DEE Eebu (talk • contribs) 16:47, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]