Talk:Pro Wrestling Illustrated/Archive 1

Archive 1

Sweeping Statments

The article seems to make a lot of sweeping statements of dubious veracity, without backing any of it up, and sometimes contradicting itself. For instance, "PWI has always been a big seller," followed later by "But PWI still has enough sales to stay alive." In addition, the article reeks of bias, with statements like "They always have good pictures." According to whom? I am going to do some cleanup and try and make it more NPOV. Any thoughts? --Pathogen 05:38, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

I think you're right. The History section is particularly biased. Also, what are the "PWI years"? Is that just "since the early 70s"? — Gwalla | Talk 21:45, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Not having ever read PWI, I would imagine it means "Years in which PWI has been published." --Pathogen 19:34, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

The PWI years mentioned in the special was the 20 years the magazine had been published. I don't know why the 500 of the PWI years is listed as being in 03. I believe it was in the winter months between 98 and 99. --Talison 02:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, PWI is still around to this date. It's hard to find recent issues like the wrestling boom years of 1998-2001, but they're still around.--Raderick 05:01, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Publishing Date

Someone please explain, if PWI began publication in 1979, then why are there awards going back to 1972.?Vinnyxvincent 00:46, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Because PWI is part of a family of Wrestling Magazines that predate 79. The Awards are now exclusive to PWI, but I believe they were carried by the other magazines originally. --Talison 02:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Someone changed the Top 500 section

Singles Wrestlers

The top five singles wrestlers were:

1. Flag of United States The Shockmaster 2. Flag of Argentina Giant Gonzalez 3. Flag of United States Bastion Booger 4. Template:Country data parts unknown The Zombie 5. Flag of United States Brian Christopher

Who ever is in charge of this page should probably fix that.

Nhceltics 18:17, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

• The list of 2007 is completely wrong. --84.185.97.36 (talk) 03:27, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I've brought in the tables from the merged articles

Seems like a no-brainer. That's what people who voted 'keep' wanted to keep, and we were starting to have a consensus formed when the AFD closed. I'm certainly fine with this, and at, now, 42 KB the article is big, but not excessively so. The placement and the heading hierarchy on the tables could probably use some work, but otherwise I think this arrangement ought to be satisfactory all around. It was certainly not helpful to simply redirect the old article titles to the sections of this one, which contained almost none of the content the old articles had (my apologies if further movement of content was planned but not yet executed), and as I said the article now is big but hardly massive. Sounds like win-win to me. Tromboneguy0186 (talk) 10:07, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Link redirects Here

refering to the messiage above there was a table that states each world champions lenght in days and everytime i find the link it redirects here --KCDavis (talk) 23:24, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Gold Standard

What makes the PWI the gold standard why do they get to decide what a World Championship is? Isn't a World Championhip a title that is defended around the world? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.202.133.230 (talk) 23:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

It's their own criteria, it doesn't mean anything nor is official. But this is a page about PWI and their criteria should be included. Secretaria 05:50, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

2008 PWI 500

Randy Orton is #1 according to the PWI website, not Edge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.173.51.246 (talk) 03:09, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

ECW championship

PWI now recognises the WWE's version of this championship from June 13th last year onwards, someone needs to add these previous and the current ECW champions to the table of world champions —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nosnekid (talk • contribs) 17:02, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Post a source and I'll do it. Secretaria 2:56, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Is this mentioned in a magazine, or online? Also, why June 13 2007? 41.245.156.10 (talk) 07:15, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I noticed it in the paragraph above the table of world champions, but I am unaware of it's source or who posted it. Although since then this information has been changed to July 1st 2008. I don't know which is true but did feel there needed to be something done about it Nosnekid (talk) 12:51, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah some guy made several edits claiming that PWI started to recognize the ecw championship as a world title since July 1 a few days ago without a source. Until someone give a source I'm gonna revert the info. Secretaria 17:10, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

June 13th, 2006 was the night that Rob Van Dam was presented with the ECW World Title on the very first episode of ECW on Sci-Fi live in Trenton, NJ. He won the WWE Championship on 11/6/06 at One Night Stand for the ECW Brand, but was not declared the ECW Champion until Tuesday the 13th when Paul Heyman awarded him the ECW title and made him a dual champion. http://www.wwe.com/shows/ecw/archive/061320061/ - June 13th 2006 ECW Report http://www.wwe.com/shows/ecw/history/ecwchampionship/ - ECW Title History from the WWE Website (which incidentally, is the correct version as accepted by the wrestling industry and traces the lineage back to the original ECW) SubzeroWrestling (talk) 21:58, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

PWI did not recognize three world titles to begin with

I'm 99% sure that the WWWF title was NOT recognized as a world title by PWI until well into Hulk Hogan's first title reign. Anyone back me up on that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.188.8.159 (talk) 03:18, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

Actually they recognized it from the beginning. At one point in Backlund's reigh they stripped recognition because Backlund had not defended against enough "scientific competitors." Recognition was restored around the time of Hogan's first reign and PWI has since stated that it was a mistake to remove recognition. They now consider the WWE Title's entire history as being a World Title. --Talison 02:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

The table currently has the title recognised as a world championship from January 25, 1963 onwards, despite the fact that the WWE Championship didnt even come into existance until April 29, 1963. How did they manage to recognise a championship which didnt exist as a World Title? Then again we all know the PWI guidelines as to what makes a "World Title" are not taken seriously by anybody in the wrestling business anyway. SubzeroWrestling (talk) 22:04, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

January 25 (24 actually) is the date NWA champion Lou Thesz defeated Buddy Rodgers which led to the wwwf spliting from the nwa. I guess someone made a mistake. I've corrected the dates. As for PWI not being take seriously, I can see why, but the article never states that what PWI claims is the truth. This is simply an article about a magazine and its personal criteria. Secretaria (talk) 02:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Jerry Lawler

Could someone please explain why Jerry lawler is listed as having 2 AWAv World Championship reigns please. His page, the AWA Championship page and the USWA Unified World Heavyweight Championship page all indicate that he only held the AWA World Championship once, and i don't believe (which i know counts for nothing but nevertheless)that PWI ever recognised the USWA Champinship or the WCCW Championship as World Championships, and if they did that would mean Lawlers World Championship count would be far greater than 2. Theincomparablebigci —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.17.102 (talk) 16:26, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, actually you saw it wrong. Lawler is listed as a one time AWA world champion, but he's also a former TWO time AWA tag team champion so it's you probably saw the wrong board. Secretaria (talk) 20:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Way too long

I think we should put the lists back into their own articles, it takes too long to scroll down and just looks cumbersome, especially the Tag title list, because everyone has a tag title and doesn't need to be mentioned on this page. This page should just be about PWI the magazine, with links to both lists. It's just more convenient to make this shorter, but then again, the wrestling pages have really steered clear from convenience in favor of stupid rules these days. Donco (talk) 21:15, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

PWI Recognizes Angles NWA Title Win

http://pwi-online.com/pages/readastoryleft.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.11.251 (talk) 19:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I think the nwa mentio is a mistake. The article calls him an 8-time world champion ( WWE (4), (1), World Heavyweight (1) and TNA (2)) so they must've put nwa by mistake. It's weird. PWI can't recognise a reign that's not recognised by the NWA. I always assumed that angle's victory had been nullified when cornette stripped him of the title (like jericho when he won the wwe championship in 00, owen hart in 94 or goldberg in wcw in 00). Since the article contradicts itself I don't think it should be accountable. Secretaria 23:43, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Well this page is about what PWI thinks, not the NWA, TNA also recognizes it. And maybe they wrote this article before he won back the TNA title, hell sting had it for only 2 weeks so maybe they just forgot. But it does say NWA--Tboneangle (talk) 21:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, that's just your guess. An article with contradictions is not valid proof. This is an encyclopedia not the "user's guesses website". Until PWI makes a clear statement about it we should just say we don't know PWI's view on the subject. Secretaria 16:45, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I just ordered the PWI 2008 Almanac,if this says he was an NWA champion then it will be final!--Tboneangle (talk) 22:46, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

How do you figure that? PWI's interpretation of the history of a wrestling championship doesn't supercede that of a promotion or governing body that owns it. In every article, the view of the promotion or governing body which owns a title takes prescadent over the views of any other source, even if it's a view that PWI might not necessarily agree with. The fact that the National Wrestling Alliance considers the NWA World Championship to be a "world" title and PWI doesn't is a good example of that. You don't see the NWA dropping "world" from the title's name just because PWI doesn't recognize it's "world" title status.Odin's Beard (talk) 00:42, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

well this article is about what PWI considers,so if pwi considers Angle to be a former NWA champion, then we put it in.Im not saying NWA considers it,but sincce thsi IS the PWI page, even if PWI said they consider Shark Boy to be a WWE champion, we put it in.--Tboneangle (talk) 19:08, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia, not a PWI forum. Information that is knowingly false can't go into the articles. Kurt Angle can't be referred to as a former NWA World Champion if the NWA doesn't recognize him as one.Odin's Beard (talk) 22:35, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Odin's Beard has a point. The article lists what Pro Wrestling Illustrated is about, it's various awards, and which championships it recognizes as World championships. PWI, however, doesn't determine who wins a championship and who doesn't. That falls squarely within the boundaries of whoever owns the championship in question, not industry trade magazines.4.225.11.8 (talk) 01:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

then why have a list of wrestlers who have held belts and how many times they have had it?--71.139.15.212 (talk) 07:37, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

It takes more than merely having physical possession of a championship belt to be recognized as a champion. The promotion or governing body that controls a championship must recognize the win and reign. By PWI's recognition, Ric Flair is a 16 time World Champion. WWE also calls him a 16 time World Champion, but these view points aren't "official" because there's nothing or no one in pro wrestling that can ultimately dictate which title is or isn't a "world" championship. It's something that', technically, is completely arbitrary. Flair's actual tally of winning championships bearing the name of a "World Heavyweight Championship" is 21. Wikipedia doesn't exclude the "World Heavyweight Championship" wins and reigns with championships PWI doesn't recognize. There are wrestlers listed in the championship history of some articles that aren't officially recognized by the promotions because they did have physical possession of the titles after winning matches. As I aluded to earlier, however, a championship is just a hunk of metal and leather without company recognition. We can include those wrestlers and mention in their articles, like Antonio Inoki, the incident regarding the WWE Championship. But Inoki can't be called a former WWE Champion by us because the WWE doesn't recognize him as so. Doing otherwise would be substituting our personal opinions over that of WWE, which owns and controls the WWE Championship. Exact same thing goes with PWI and the NWA World Heavyweight Championship. It's mentioned in Kurt Angle's article the incident involving the NWA World Heavyweight Championship, but that's it. He can't be a former NWA World Heavyweight Champion, at least by Wikipedia, if the NWA doesn't recognize him as one.Odin's Beard (talk) 23:43, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

This discussion can finally be settled. From PWI: June 17: Kurt Angle defeats Samoa Joe, A.J. Styles, Christian Cage, and Chris Harris in a “King Of The Mountain” match at Slammiversary to become the first official TNA World heavyweight champion one month after his NWA World title victory had been declared null and void. Secretaria (talk) 03:00, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

But where is your link? 41.245.156.70 (talk) 10:14, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, here's the link: [1]. Then you have to search for June 17, 2007. Secretaria (talk) 20:45, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Umm.. Just curious

Is it really up to PWI as to weather or not a Wrestling Championship is considered World Status or not? --Gtadood (talk) 20:50, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

No... But this is a page about PWI and its criteria not wrestling in general. Secretaria 21:34, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

So, is The ECW Championship Considered World Championship Status or Not? --Gtadood (talk) 18:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

By PWI it's not. By WWE it is. It's really up to you to decide if given belt has a world title status. I mean the ecw championship never main evented on his own at a wwe ppv but ecw has better ratings than tna so you decide on your own. Secretaria 00:16, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Well it was the main event to December to dismember in an elimination chamber match so i guess it is, even though it doesn't mean as much as the Original ECW Title. ANYWAYS, i'm not going to continue here. --Gtadood (talk) 02:20, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

The Sandman

The Sandman is a FIVE -time ECW World Heavyweight Champion, yet isn't listed as such here! What is the story with that? Lmeso (talk) 14:24, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Though PWI recognizes the sandman as a former five-time ecw champion, it only gives world title status to that championship from 1999 to 2001, ence the sandman is listed once on the list of world champions. Secretaria (talk) 8:12, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

WCW World Title after March 2001

How come Chris Jericho is listed with a WCW World Title reign? If PWI stopped recognizing the WCW World Heavyweight Title after March 2001, then Chris Jericho was never a WCW World Heavyweight Champion, right? By the same token.. the Dudleyz Tag Title reigns, and a few other title reigns should be edited accordingly...64.136.26.230 (talk) 09:33, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

The title was controlled by WCW until March 2001. That's all the table says. WWF controlled the title until December 2001. Pwi recognizes the belt during this period(but not curiously, prior to January 11 1991). 41.245.155.132 (talk) 10:30, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

That is because Mid-Atlantic's NWA World Tag Team Championship was a territorial title until WCW split from the NWA and the title was renamed to WCW World Tag Team Championship.^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 10:28, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Er, this is about the WCW World Heavyweight Championship. 41.245.155.132 (talk) 12:58, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

What About Raven?

I don't know how to edit a page, and would feel bad messing up the list of World Champions. However I did find that Raven isn't listed on PWI list of champions. He was a 2 time ECW and 1 time NWA champion. When PWI restored world title status to the NWA title, I read in an issue that they were recogizing Champions from 1994 to when TNA controlled the title. If they did the same for ECW, then Raven should be in the table as a 3 time champion. I just wanted to point that out. Thank you. Josh dje9@yahoo.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.190.80.74 (talk) 22:53, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

PWI restored the NWA world title status since the birth of TNA, that is since 2002. The same never happened to the ECW championship, ence PWI only recognizes Raven as a 1 time world champion. Secretaria 12:50, 1# February 2009 (UTC)

World Titles currently recognized by PWI

It is well documented that PWI has recognized the WWE and World Heavyweight titles in WWE as world titles (differentiated as Raw World Championship and SmackDown World Championship) as well as the TNA World title. However, I recently subscribed to PWI and a concern was soon brought to my attention. Looking through the past issue I noticed that PWI's differentiation of WWE's Raw and SmackDown world titles has been abandoned. In fact, the only use of the term "world title" has only been in reference to the World Heavyweight Championship of SmackDown and the TNA World Heavyweight Championship. PWI now refers to prominent heavyweight titles as follows with only the TNA and SmackDown titles being referred to as world titles...

• WWE World Championship - currently held by Edge
• WWE Heavyweight Championship - currently held by Triple H
• ECW Heavyweight Championship - currently held by Jack Swagger
• TNA World Championship - currently held by Sting
• ROH Heavyweight Championship - currently held by Nigel McGuinness
• NWA Heavyweight Championship - currently held by Blue Demon, Jr.

Now, could this mean that PWI now only recognize 2 world championships, those currently defended on SmackDown and TNA?^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 03:41, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

While my concern regarding PWI's recognition of the two world titles mentioned above has yet to be addressed, I have made some changes to the article to reflect the views of PWI from their recent issue. ^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 03:19, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Disruptive edits

Someone is repeatedly removing tables, deleting the word "World" and generally just creating havoc with this article. Could an administrator or suchlike please do something about this editor? Thank you. 41.245.143.119 (talk) 06:39, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Including the word "World" in the names of Titles

What is going on with this? Why is there some sort od edit war over whether or not to call titles "World"? K'Anpo (talk) 12:46, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Read the article.

"Pro Wrestling Illustrated has recognized select singles championships of six professional wrestling promotions as "world" level accomplishments, which include those of the National Wrestling Alliance (NWA), World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE), Total Nonstop Action Wrestling (TNA), the American Wrestling Association (AWA), Extreme Championship Wrestling (ECW), and World Championship Wrestling (WCW). Of the six entities, only WWE, TNA, and the NWA remain as active organizations. Though different championships within these promotions have been recognized by the magazine, its criteria for selection remains unexplained. As there is no actual method of determining what constitutes a "world" level accomplishment in professional wrestling, or World Championship, it should be noted that the views presented in the following list are solely those of Pro Wrestling Illustrated and are not authoritative. The following championships are listed by what they are currently referred to in Pro Wrestling Illustrated and currently are or previously were recognized by the magazine."

If you pick up PWI and turn all the way to the back, you'll see how each title is referred to. ^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 22:46, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Should the company of the wrestler be added to the tables?

I believe that the company(ies) the wrestler worked for be added to the PWI 500 and Women's 50. e.g.

Year	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
2008	Awesome Kong TNA	Beth Phoenix WWE	Gail Kim TNA	Mickie James WWE	MsChif SHIMMER / ROH	Sara Del Rey SHIMMER / ROH	Roxxi Laveaux TNA	Melina WWE	Michelle McCool WWE	Candice Michelle WWE

L14M-J (talk) 11:39, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Somebody replaced MsChiff With Maryse

References

List of Reigns

Why was this removed? Muhand (talk) 04:24, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

PWI now only recognizes one WWE title as a world title and thus the list was deemed trivial as PWI doesn't dictate reigns.^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 06:27, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

your wrong they recongize both the wwe and world heavyweight title in wwe. That is a lie that they only recognize one of the titles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.93.167.109 (talk) 19:29, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

As of 2008, only two championships are recognized by the magazine.[2][3] Additionally, only the WWE World Championship and the TNA World Championship are referred to as world titles in the magazine.^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 01:31, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

yeah but who cares what PWI say. Its still a world title just because a magazine says it isn't does not make that a fact —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.197.63.137 (talk) 12:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Well it does matter because this is an article abnout PWI.

Could we not just redo the table but not include World Heavyweight Championship title reigns from 2008 onwards. L14M-J (talk) 12:14, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Kane?

Should not be listed as a 2-time World Champion. I would edit it, but am not sure how to do it without messing everything else up.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.158.152.207 (talk) 09:56, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Currently, PWI doesn't recognize the ECW Championship as a "World" championship. Labeling a title as a "World" title is something that is completely artitrary. There is no one source for all of pro wrestling that decides which titles are "World" titles and which aren't. What that means is that if I ever began a wrestling promotion, I could declare my primary singles and tag titles to be "World" titles and it would technically have as much validity as any "World" title that PWI recognizes. The WWE, I believe, does consider the ECW Championship to be a "World" title. At WrestleMania, the Big Show was referred to as a 5-time World Champion. As a singles wrestler, he's won the WCW and WWE Championships each twice. So, the fifth "World" title the WWE referred to has to be the ECW Championship. But, we can't state in this article that Kane is a 2 time "World" Champion because we can't dictate PWI's standards for world title recognition. Now, if there was one single entity or organization or official governing body or committee or something that all of pro wrestling could agree upon to recognize "World" titles, then that'd be a different story.Odin's Beard (talk) 13:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

The table isn't consistant anyways because it also says Rob Van Dam and Vince McMahon won the ECW title when it had world status, but Big Show, Lashley, Nitro, Punk and Chavo aren't on the list. (I'm not saying they should be on, I'm just saying the table is wrong.) Kirby17 (talk) 16:35, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

The table is fixed. Secretaria (talk) 21:59, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

The ECW title is NOT considered a world title by PWI, because it isn't even recognized by WWE. Two examples for you: 1. ECW's champion not only is placed into the Royal Rumble, but ECW's champion competed in Money in the Bank, which means that the ECW champion is not a highest-level WWE title. 2. On the 3 hour Raw with the Trump sale, CM Punk told Matt Hardy, a former ECW champion, that he had never held a world title. That's proof enough for me that ECW is a major brand title, but not a world title. seantherebel 1 July 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seantherebel (talk • contribs) 06:10, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

You're forgetting about the time when the Undertaker won the Royal Rumble. After he won the 2007 Rumble, it was said he got a championship match at WM. On Raw, about a week after the Rumble, WWE Champ John Cena, World Champ Batista, and ECW Champ Bobby Lashley all out in the ring, where Taker made his choice by chokeslamming Batista.Odin's Beard (talk) 22:34, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Plus before this year's mania, an article regarding Christian Cage was posted by WWE saying he has yet to win a world championship (bullshit). After he won the ECW Belt at Backlash, WWE stated he finally accomplished that dream.--WillC 23:03, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

not real womans top 500

i think we should only trust reliable sources which is the offical website not some fan site —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samtherofl (talk • contribs) 20:38, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Dumb question

How was Batista in the pwi 500 in the top ten from 91-2000? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.15.191.119 (talk) 03:00, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

It was vandalism.--WillC 03:03, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

since it was vandalised and theres possibility of other vandalism might I suggest that Each person is checked to insure the information is correct.70.15.191.119 (talk) 03:06, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Recorded Accomplishments

"Of the six organizations, only WWE, TNA, ECW and the NWA remain active. Though different championships within these promotions have been recorded by the magazine, its criteria for selection remains undefined and unexplained. As there is no collectively official method of determining what constitutes a "world" level accomplishment in professional wrestling, it should be noted that the views presented in the following list are solely those of Pro Wrestling Illustrated and are neither authoritative nor definitive. The following championships are listed by what they are currently referred to in Pro Wrestling Illustrated and currently are or previously were recorded by the magazine."

I'm sorry but how does the Organization ECW exist? I thought it was a subsidiary of The WWE (oe a brand of WWE if you will) and not a separate organization. I must ask if PWI currently recognizes the ECW as a world championship as it doesn't even seem the wwe does. Perhaps the list should be changed to show active championships they currently recognize and a section that shows those they once recognized. I'm not sure they currently recognize the NwA Title since those belts left TNA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.15.191.119 (talk) 03:20, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

The inclusion of "ECW" in the note regarding active professional wrestling promotions was added by an IP address. That particular note has now been corrected. World Wrestling Entertainment currently recognizes Three world championships (WWE, ECW, World Heavyweight). According to a recent issue, in regards to the championships of the current three professional wrestling promotions (NWA, TNA, and WWE), the Pro Wrestling Illustrated magazine recognizes ONLY TWO championships out of the Five possible (ECW, NWA, TNA, World Heavyweight, and WWE). Due to the ambiguity of their views it was decided to compose a list of all known accomplishments to have ever been recorded by the magazine instead. ^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 03:43, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

What Happend To This Table

i used to view a pwi list of world championships regine by lenth but a few days ago i tryed to find it and got reverted to this artical could some one tell me where that table is i found the table of world champions and how many they have but i'm after the one that says john cena 770 days —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.202.181.53 (talk) 23:20, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I've added the list of world title reigns by length in the number of reigns list. Secretaria 18:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

where is The table exactly? and why was it remove in The first place???

that's whay I'd like to know...--74.178.227.26 (talk) 01:10, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Tables

Where do they keep going? Why can't we have them? --74.178.227.26 (talk) 07:41, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Lack of sufficient reliable sources seems to be the cause...^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 04:43, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Maybe make the page semi protected

due to constant vandalism early today i changed eve torres in the PWI top womens back to michelle mccool —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samtherofl (talk • contribs) 21:18, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Can someone please put the all time top 5 back how it should be? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.97.252.151 (talk) 04:39, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

A.J, Styles as number one

I just wanted to pass along in here that I listed A.J. Styles as number one in the Top 500 table. Someone had changed it out with EDGE, not the wrestler, but something else. I just want to let people know that I have corrected it and to keep and eye out for it, in case someone changes it back to what it was before. On a side note, congrats to A.J. Styles.

Drunknesmonsta (talk) 02:40, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

And...someone changed it to Nancy Benoit. Okay, this page needs some kind of protection, because the vandalism's getting annoy, and this last one was just plain bad taste.

Takerfoxx (talk) 23:00, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Recent Vandalism aka The Hoard has descended on this page

There is a group of wrestling fans whom have descended upon this page a joke. This started Friday Midnight EST. They will continue to vandalize the page until further protection is provided to the page. This is a heads up for WP editors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.224.247 (talk) 03:49, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

A form coordinated attack? OHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOO............^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 04:02, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

this article should be protected right now if people are trying to vandalise it.--89.204.248.106 (talk) 23:02, 7 August 2010 (UTC) Nancy And Chris Benoit ???

1991 number 10

Well it's currently listed as "KENTA" which is clearly vandalism as KENTA would of been 10 years old, i'm not too sure about PWI so if someone could correct it, just thought i'd give a heads up — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.98.121.195 (talk) 03:49, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

I think #10 that year was Rick Steiner. Someone will have to dig out the magazine to check. HappHazzard (talk) 22:59, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Number 1 for 2011

Is The Miz http://www.pwi-online.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.163.133.209 (talk) 04:20, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Where has the information on the rest of the top 10 for 2011 come from? The link given just links to an image of the cover, which just says that Miz is #1. HappHazzard (talk) 22:59, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism

Okay this page is getting frequently vandalized. Apparently Batista was a successful wrestler during the 90's coming 1st on practically every occasion. I request that this page be locked as this page is clearly being frequently targeted by immature very bored people. 77.98.121.195 (talk) 16:56, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

World Title Clarification

On the PWI blog, it lists the world titles recognized by the magazine. http://prowrestlingillustrated.blogspot.com/2009/12/new-pwi-blog.html

To clear things up, here is a listing of the titles PWI has recognized as "world titles":

AWA: 8/16/60-12/12/90

NWA: 7/48-1/11/91; 5/8/06-5/13/07

TNA: 5/13/07-present

ECW: 7/6/99-4/11/01

WCW: 1/11/91-3/26/01

W/WWF/E (including World and WWE champions): 4/63-present

I hope this settles the debate.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.168.163 (talk) 02:07, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

That's all very nice and good. But I have old PWIs from the mid-80's where they don't recognize the then-WWF Championship as a World Title. I think it was c1985-86. I'll have to look for the specific dates. This was even referred to in later editions of PWI, where they said it had been a mistake. This means that either a)the Blog is wrong or b)they have retconned their own World Title recognition. 41.132.48.145 (talk) 13:23, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

I recall PWI mentioning in their 2003 Special Edition on WWE's 40th anniversary that they now recognize all WWE Title reigns from 1963 onward. They had briefly stopped recognizing it when the WWWF rejoined the NWA in the early 80s, but retconned it later on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.53.183.53 (talk) 18:25, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

The trouble is that the article at present is phrased as follows: "The following shows which championships WERE recognized by the magazine’s editors as world titles". (my emphasis)

In fact, what it shows is what the present day PWI retrospectively recognises as having been World titles - as various commentators on here have noted, PWI withdrew recognition of the WWF World title from mid 1983 to mid 1985. (Ostensibly this was because of the lack of range of opponents for Bob Backlund. In reality, this may have been a show of solidarity with the rest of the NWA after Vince Jr walked out on them at the 1983 NWA convention thus rendering his WWF a renegade/outlaw promotion. By mid 1985 this gesture of disrespect towards such a high media profile organisation had to be dropped for the sake of credibility with the wider public)

However there are other discrepancies. At the time, PWI did not grant ECW World title status until 1999. The actual withdrawal of recognition of the AWA's title status took place in January 1991 (an article was printed in the May 1991 issue of PWI discussing the situation). The switchover from NWA to WCW recognition actually took place in about March 1991 - this was formally announced in an editorial piece in PWI's sister publication Wrestling '91 in their Spring issue that year. (PWI treated WCW and its titles as a straight continuation of the NWA and its titles and presented matters to its readers as a simple name change á la WWWF>WWF>WWE until forced to do otherwise by the summer 1992 NWA World Heavyweight and World Tag Team title tournaments.)

So unless someone wants to carefully go through their old magazines and carefully cite what was actually recognised by PWI and its sister publications at the time, I shall reword this phrase as follows: "The following shows which championships ARE recognized by the magazine’s editors as HAVING BEEN world titles" (again, my emphasis) 86.156.107.204 (talk) 12:37, 27 February 2015 (UTC)