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On 20 July 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Price tag attacks. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Strikes again

Shrike. Your edit summaries when not opaque are often false policy wise. Yersterday another two examples: (a) fixced source falsification.

Fact. There was no ‘source falsification’- a dramatic accusation. We had 3 sources. You apparently read the personal definition of the first of them, by Isabel Kershner, which runs:

The New York Times describers it as as (note reduplication) "to exact a price from local Palestinians for violence against settlers or from Israeli security forces for taking action against illegal construction in Jewish outposts in the West Bank.’

You attribute Kershner’s personal spin to the New York Times (which she writes for). Had you taken the trouble to read the other source by Uri Friedman below,

'The New York Times defines price tag attacks as incidents in which radical Jewish settlers "exact a price from local Palestinians or from the Israeli security forces for any action taken against their settlement enterprise".

You would have noted Friedman attributes to the New York Times, and omits what Kershner adds, ‘for violence against settlers.’ You passed off Kershner's bizarre spin for the official view of the NYT. Kershner's sneaky tweak is rubbish, as a thousand reports will show.

So you (a) failed to read all the sources (b) confused Isabel Kershner with the New York Times (c) made a false edit summary complaining about falsification of sources (d) and now have the brazenness to revert back your egregious errors even when corrected.Nishidani (talk) 10:09, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ridiculously biased towards Israel

Why does this page begin by minimising violent Jewish terrorism, calling it “vandalism” and “retribution” committed by “youths”? It’s a pretty blatant violation of WP:NPOV and needs to be fixed ILoveHirasawaYui (talk) 15:20, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 20 July 2022

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 19:49, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Price tag attack policy → Price tag attacks – Move to WP:COMMONNAME based on the phraseology in the bulk of sourcing - 'price tag policy' was a phrase used only occasionally and intermittently largely in the early part of the last decade (300 recent news hits), and has since been overwhelmingly superseded by 'price tag attacks' in common usage (2,200 recent news hits) ... 'price tag attack policy' has, as far as I can tell, rarely if ever been used as a set phrase (0 recent news hits). Price tag attacks is clearly the common term for this phenomenon in reliable, seondary sources. Iskandar323 (talk) 16:07, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I should perhaps also of noted that most of the prominent, first-page hits for 'price tag policy' are not even stories about Israel - the first appears half-way down. Iskandar323 (talk) 16:20, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely opposed. One should never confuse a principle with the data illustrating how that principle functions. There is a policy, and it is documented. The 'attacks' illustrate that policy or tactic. The fact that articles feature incidents as 'attacks' merely reflects what newspapers do, report of incident after incident. Obvious such articles are not going to be overviews of the general phenomenon, hence the superficial impression that 'WP:Commonname' prefers the language of specific incidents to prevail over the descriptions of the policy. All this suggestion does is confuse the particulars of a set with the set's definition itself. Bad move.Nishidani (talk) 16:48, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - this article is about the overarching policy, described in sources. Yes individual attacks are just called attacks. That doesnt negate the wider topic. nableezy - 16:58, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: But isn't talk of 'policy', in of itself, something of a misnomer? The notion of 'policy', without caveats, tends to suggest the official will of government, which is not at all the case here (at least ostensibly); government leaders have officially condemned it. Few sources refer to 'policy' (exception here). I'm open to being convinced, but I've barely seen 'policy' used. Iskandar323 (talk) 17:30, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, policy does not suggest a government action. Private groups and organizations have policies. As far as sources, Guiora, A.N. (2014). Tolerating Intolerance: The Price of Protecting Extremism. Terrorism and global justice series. OUP USA. ISBN 978-0-19-933182-6. The policy implemented by settlers is referred to as "price tag"
Jerryson, M. (2020). Religious Violence Today: Faith and Conflict in the Modern World [2 volumes]. ABC-CLIO. ISBN 978-1-4408-5991-5. Price-tag policy is a term used by ...
* Marteu, E. (2009). Civil Organizations and Protest Movements in Israel: Mobilization around the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. Palgrave Macmillan US. ISBN 978-0-230-62174-9. This policy is based on the idea that any withdrawal from the West Bank must bear a significant cost for Israeli decision makers. nableezy - 18:44, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In my mind, 'price tag attacks' IS the subject; whatever self-justifying framework of ideology lies behind that is simply the background to the phenomenon. Iskandar323 (talk) 17:33, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nab. Might be an idea to add those new sources to the page. Nishidani (talk) 19:46, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Someone should definitely add these sources or similar. Clearly I'm outvoted on this, but as it stands the term 'policy' in the article is both heavily overused and under-sourced. It's all very well saying that it is a 'policy', but the article should actually support this. My objection is that the term 'policy' implies an actual structured framework, which this is not: the 'price tag' language is an umbrella term for when settlers carry out vindictive retributive violence against the Palestinian populace. If there is an actual "policy" at work, it would be the government's policy of turning a blind eye to settler violence, tacitly permitting the military to protect settlers as they go about violence, and not pursuing criminal prosecutions against settlers, but that is not a 'policy' on committing the violence itself. The 'price tag' part is just vigilantism. Iskandar323 (talk) 05:16, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Nableezy. Number 5 7 11:06, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, mostly by Nishidani. There is a policy in place; if we move this just to "Price tag attacks" we miss that central point, Huldra (talk) 22:00, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Biased classifications

Why does it solely and repeatedly refer to isreali citizens as “settlers“? Anonymice1 (talk) 00:43, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

the Israeli citizens living outside of Israel in its colonies in the occupied territories are commonly referred to as settlers in reliable sources. nableezy - 01:07, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

can you please provide some? I would assume the most accurate sources would say either immigrant or citizen depending what side they take Anonymice1 (talk) 13:18, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]