Talk:Price tag attack policy/Archive 2

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retribution against palestinian violence in lead

Price tag attacks are predominantly in response to Israeli actions, and even the NBC source makes that clear. Among the sources that demonstrate that are:

• ADL: Since 2008, there have been repeated attacks carried out by extremist Israeli Jews against Israeli Arabs and Palestinians, often in reprisal for Israeli government action against illegal settlement activity. These attacks, which are frequently labeled “price tag” incidents, target mosques, churches, Arab and Jewish homes and property, Israeli military bases and vehicles, as well as other Israeli Jews. They involve the desecration of property with anti-Arab and anti-government slogans. Most of these attacks include the phrase “price tag” and are accompanied by hateful and racist slogans, the name of an illegal settlement, or a reference to an Israeli casualty of Palestinian terrorism, the implication being that the violent incident is the “cost” of Israeli government action on settlements or for anti-Israeli violence.
• Haaretz: The 'price-tag' policy was adopted by Israeli settlers and right-wing activists, intended to pressure the government away from making concessions regarding settlement building in the West Bank. Attacks of the sort usually occur after the dismantling of an outpost or similar event, and are often directed at Israeli Arabs, Palestinians and left-wing organizations.
• Guiora, A.N. (2014). Tolerating Intolerance: The Price of Protecting Extremism. Terrorism and global justice series. OUP USA. ISBN 978-0-19-933182-6. Retrieved 2020-12-27. "Price Tag," also known as "Arbut Hadadit" (Mutual Responsibility) is a set of violent tactics employed by national-religious Israeli settlers in the West Bank to deter Israeli law enforcement authorities from removing illegally-built structures from West Bank settlements.

The NBC source cited does indeed include that the attacks are sometimes in response to Palestinian violence. That is a single line in an article devoted entirely to how price tag attacks are generally in response to Israeli actions. The overwhelming majority of sources, and among academic sources nearly the entirety, say that price-tag attacks are taken in response to Israeli government actions. There are certainly attacks carried out in response to Palestinian actions, but those generally are not price-tag attacks, and even when they are called that in the press they make up a tiny proportion of them. Including it in the lead is UNDUE. nableezy - 07:43, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

See also the next section. Shrike restored text that is blatantly tendentious and evidently contra-factual since he did not read the proper ref attributing to the New York Times, the one below Kershner. Nishidani (talk) 10:12, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

There are plenty of sources that say so except NBC and NYTIMES that in my opinion its enough to include in lead for example [1],[2],[3] there are probably more. I think we can agree to the very least that it should in the body of the article --18:57, 27 December 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrike (talk • contribs)

Yes, there are news sources that conflate the two, but it is very rare for a price tag attack to be purportedly in response to a Palestinian action. I think you know that. And the sources bear that out. nableezy - 19:13, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Stop the POV obsession Shrike. There are statistical charts showing a dramatic spike in price tag violence after incidents of Palestinian violence have fallen off equally dramatically. It's sheer blundering POV mania to try to misrepresent the phenomenon as, to use that invariable term, as an 'Israeli response' to some Palestinian provocation. You know that, everyone knows that, settlers know that. If anything, their continual harassment esp during harvest time is calculated to provoke Palestinians into retaliation as much as damage what little the latter have. Nishidani (talk) 20:08, 27 December 2020 (UTC)