Talk:Pranab Mukherjee

WikiProject class rating

This article was assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as Stub Class, and the rating on other projects was brought up to C class. Regards, theTigerKing  16:27, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

• The article was upgraded to B category by some other editor from c category.Regards, theTigerKing  16:34, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

International role of Shri Pranab Mukherjee

Shri RAUL RAY was born in 1935. But he appears to have performed an activity in 1900 (see the section International role. A correct year would greatly improve the article.

p_ranade (talk) 09:35, 10 September 2008 (UTC)p_ranadep_ranade (talk) 09:35, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Give Bengali sub name to Pranab

yoy should give bengali sub name in Pranab dada's name as he is a bengali.As many other bengali great people does have it in there articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.48.162.113 (talk) 05:48, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

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So why the offenders are not prevented from creating or making edits to the article? The article is about a living person and a page on the biography of the person could be created afresh. Persistent vandalism is happening on this page. I am not a copyright holder of the article. Is there a way we can get to know who the copyright holder of this article is? And whether the page can be created keeping in mind the wikipedia policy on biography afresh and providing semi-protection to this article? Is there a way non-copyright holders of this page can ask for semi-protection of this article to confirm with the policy of Biography of living people? Regards Vaibhavgupta1989 (talk) 17:53, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you can ask for semi-protection. Go to WP:RPP. Specs112 t c 18:08, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Audio Phonetics

I have added US English phonetics for his name in the lead section. Can someone upload the audio file for the same? Regards, theTigerKing  10:27, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Infobox names

Please do not change the names of Pranab Mukherjee mentioned in English, Hindi and Bengali in the infobox. Regards, theTigerKing  11:39, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

I had to remove to remove Hindi and Bengali scripts as per consensus, which has made against writing indic scripts. regards, DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 13:17, 22 July 2012 (UTC).

Hamid Anari has names written in non-English languages.Regards, theTigerKing  13:53, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

u mean Hamid Ansari? if so, i removed the scripts from the article. regards, DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 19:06, 22 July 2012 (UTC).

problem with the quote

there is a problem with the quote at the end of the page. i think it was a formatting problem. on firefox all the quote are vertical with only two caractere by line. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.245.224.65 (talk) 13:38, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Corrected. Used a blockquote.Regards, theTigerKing  13:54, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Citation Needed Tag

The editor who has used the tag for adding the addition citations should mention here where exactly there is need for citations. I have removed the tag for now. I see no problem with citations. Please add the tag only after writing in here.Regards, theTigerKing  13:59, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Lead section length

The lead section has 5 paragraphs which is too much. Regards, theTigerKing  15:03, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Controversy.

Why were the details under the title "Controversy" removed? the article now sounds more like a self boasting article. The citations provided seem to be from neutral and genuine resources.

Pearll's Sun^TALK 12:50, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Taslia Naseem see WP:OR and WP:Due.

Threatening banks see WP:RS. The source was disputed by more than one users including me. Since it qualified as contentious material about a living person it was agreed it must be removed. see WP:BLP.

the rest I integrated into the main article. Insisting on these issues being labelled as "controversies" is POV pushing on your part. Cliniic (talk) 17:00, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

see discussion here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lihaas#Pranab_Mukherjeee

(http://www.governancenow.com/node/11742) - article cited as source

read it. it does not allege anything on part of mukherjee but discreetly mentions officers from his office as supposedly making the threats. then they go on to say there is "no official instructions to this effect". so nothing is alleged against Mukherjee and nor are they making any allegations as to such instructions. only innuendos so they dont get sued for libel while drumming up "allegations."

just because sources cited are published does not mean its reliable or as you said "neutral and genuine resources". read the article and tell me it does not present itself as a propaganda piece. Cliniic (talk) 17:14, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi, atleast 2 sources make the first sentence acceptable 1: already available express india and here the second http://www.sunday-guardian.com/analysis/open-letter-to-pranab-mukherjee. Pearll's Sun^TALK 06:40, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Infobox

The infobox should contain profession, signature,official website and residence on the patterns of Barack Obama, which is a FA. Some of the information can be obtained from http://india.gov.in/govt/loksabhampbiodata.php?mpcode=4195 Regards, theTigerKing  16:26, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

References/citations lead section clutter

There is no need of having cluttered references/citations in the lead section. The reason is that a separate section provides in detail about it. Also, these are well known facts which can easily found out and going by FA guidelines.Please do not add references for the same. They would be deleted.Regards, theTigerKing  15:52, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Pranab Mukherjee/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: TheSpecialUser (talk · contribs) 16:06, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

 Doing... Not a quick fail though this time. →TSU ^tp* 16:06, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Has it been nominated before? I could not see any archive page.Regards, theTigerKing  16:21, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Not talking about the article. My recent reviews echo stories of quick fails. Glad to find a credible GA. →TSU ^tp* 16:40, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Alas, in my opinion, it is unstable (eg: there is a substantial content dispute going on) and therefore should indeed be a quick fail. - Sitush (talk) 16:46, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. I just came across it. Also issues in the prose exists. Refs are also needed as well as some info is missing. The Tiger, I'm sorry but I'll fail it after leaving the issues here in details. →TSU ^tp* 16:48, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

I believe that the edit war is over after the section on controversy was put up in the article. I had given a thought to it before nominating the article for GA. The controversy section debate would die out in a day or two(maximum), if it hasn't. I would rather advise you to wait for two days. If you still find an edit war happening, make it a case of a quick-fail. Regards, theTigerKing  17:10, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

The article has been on my watchlist since the nomination process and I'd say that this is definitely a quickfail on the stability criteria. There are also portions that are unreferenced and more importantly, a section on "Presidential Career" that has lasted the last thirteen hours. It's clearly not ready for a GA review yet. —SpacemanSpiff 19:16, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

I would request everyone to be more specific. What exactly in prose, stability et al. Please provide pointers to the unreferenced sections. Please take out time and start penning down the suggestions or issues involved with the article. It may be quick-failed now but your suggestions would be useful in the future.Regards, theTigerKing  19:30, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Just watch me over the next few days and you'll learn: the problems really are numerous and in some cases severe. Query any of my edits that you do not understand. I am sure that others will contribute also. This was far, far too hasty a nomination and, to be honest, you are looking at a minimum of 3 or 4 months before this is likely to go any further. - Sitush (talk) 20:04, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

I've always admired Sitush's judgement and this is also one of it. Though I disagree that the problems can be addressed in 3-4 months. Problems here can be fixed within 1-2 months max if actively participated (I've done it at a worse article then this so saying). Anyways, here are few problems which I can see other then a rushed nomination

• Too less information of our president. There are lot more things that can be added in the article. This can even probably be expanded 2 folds then the existing state (that means that double the info can be added).
• Offices held - I don't think that we keep any information just like this. This should completely be removed and should be added to his career and few in the infobox
• Professional career, Political career, Government offices and Presidential career this all should be in one section Career with properly writing chronologically.
• Political party role (pretty odd title) - change the title as well as is there any need of that chart in the section? Not at all!
• Personal life should come after early life then career
• too less info about Early, personal life, and career.
• There are so many stories regarding him and about positions held and problems about his role in Congress as well as govt and career which isn't in the article.
• The prose- it is in an extremely bad state. It needs throughout copyediting
• 43 refs don't constitute enough info about a person who is a President
• I haven't took a close look and this is just a quick overview which is enough to fail it.

My personal life refrains me from getting active on wiki now, otherwise I'd myself fix all this in some weeks. But anyhow, if this doesn't get to GA till October, I've good 2 months of activeness after October. Till then, I trust editors that they will significantly improve the article. There are many other issues (I mean too many) which I haven't stated. So far, good work but a lot of things are to be done. Sorry, but this is a quick fail. Take Barack Obama as an example and do the best! TheSpecialUser ^TSU 15:26, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Agreed on most of your points but for your suggestion that official information, being too lengthy, should be kept separate. Readers may just want to go through the infobox rather than reading it completely. Agreed with your point that there could be duplicacy because of it. But it could be suitably written to prevent it. Because, many editors were working on the article, a slow GA Review process would have helped all of us to be partners in writing a good article at the earliest. The article needs to be promoted to GA status, if not FA Regards, theTigerKing  16:26, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Name

The article is about a person who is now the president of India. He is referred with the titles His excellency or president in the official and formal occasions only. Please do not use these phrases anywhere in the article.Regards, theTigerKing  16:19, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Cite format

Please can we agree on a citation format. There are currently several in use and this is not acceptable per our guidelines. - Sitush (talk) 19:23, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Please go-ahead with your suggestion. -- ♪Karthik♫ ♪Nadar♫ 13:41, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Please go ahead, i too feel the same. Best Wishes. Pearll's Sun^TALK 21:15, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I'll do it as soon as I am able - bit busy at the moment but should be ok by next week. - Sitush (talk) 18:32, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Protect

I think this page should be protected... 116.203.239.202 (talk) 16:10, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

why ? there isn`t any Vandalism or any kind of disruptivity lately, except ur act of protecting the article by just placing {{protect}} at the top of the page. If u still want the the page to be protected, request at WP:RPP.DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 17:04, 30 July 2012 (UTC).

Image

Can someone upload this image on Wikipedia as the pic of president of India. The image has been released by the official website.Regards, theTigerKing  17:37, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

The image lacks any appropriate licensing, so it can not be used in public domain.--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:35, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Give correct Informations

Why the name of Jayalalita is maintained in the list of the names of the presidents of India.Please provide useful informations that will make some sense. Anurag Chakraborty (talk) 02:56, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

 Fixed; That was due to a vandalistic edit by 117.202.182.172 (talk) at the page Template:IndianPresidents. regards, DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 10:12, 6 August 2012 (UTC).

Alleged involvement in Bose death mystery

I had added this section to this page. But it was removed citing that it was as per Wikipedia:Fringe theories. The corresponding section in Wiki says contents must maintain neutral PoV, verifiability, and no original research. I added back the section as it was written in a neutral tone, and no original research was included in it. Regarding verifiability, the news was reported widely by most leading newspapers. Verifiable third party references are already available in the section (Rediff News, Times of India news, and Statesman news). I wonder why this section was removed. Please discuss before making further changes. Thank you. -- XrieJetInfo (talk) 12:46, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

While restoring the content, I have changed the name of the section to "Alleged involvement in ...." as that is a more apt header for the section (in line with a similar section in the page Julian Assange. -- XrieJetInfo (talk) 12:48, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

I have reverted you. The mainstream news-sources you cite are all basically reviews of the book itself, which remains the only primary source to allege this conspiracy theory. Per WP:NPOV's principle of avoiding giving undue-weight, "Generally, the views of tiny minorities should not be included at all". Neutral POV does not mean giving equal weight to all viewpoints. Quoting again, "While it is important to account for all significant viewpoints on any topic, Wikipedia policy does not state or imply that every minority view or extraordinary claim needs to be presented along with commonly accepted mainstream scholarship". The idea that India's First Citizen was involved in a Bose-related coverup is definitely not a "significant viewpoint" in the "mainstream scholarship" on Pranab Mukherjee.—indopug (talk) 18:17, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Length of political career

the opening paragraph says "In a political career spanning six decades, Mukherjee was a senior leader..." but he didn't get into politics till 1969(as in the second para) so it shouldn't it be 4 decades? Vajpayee himself was a MP from 1957 till 2009, ie, only 52 years(Which Manmohan Singh said was far longer than others). So Pranab couldn't have had a career of 60 years. besides,he's only 77 which is too young to have a 60 year political career. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaushikr (talk • contribs) 12:18, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Pranab was a politician in the 1960s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 2000s and 10s. Those are the six decades. It does not mean "sixty years". If there is any better way to phrase this, let us know. Thanks.—indopug (talk) 13:48, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Citation needed

Look at this part in the lead section:

Mukherjee was sidelined from the Congress during the premiership of Rajiv Gandhi, Indira's son. Mukherjee had viewed himself, and not the inexperienced Rajiv, as the rightful successor to Indira following her assassination in 1984. Mukherjee lost out in the ensuing power struggle.

This part looks like original view of the editor who wrote it. Is there any references available?

''Prabhakar Sarma Neog'' (talk) 15:08, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

[1], [2].—indopug (talk) 17:24, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

A new article titled Early political career of Pranab Mukherjee

I suggest splitting the section Early political career into a new article titled Early political career of Pranab Mukherjee. AkhilKumarPal (talk)

Oppose when the section here is so undeveloped, poorly written and unreferenced, what is the need to create a separate article? There's plenty of scope to expand the Pranabda's early career here.—indopug (talk) 13:18, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

His name in Bengali and Hindi

His name in Bengali and Hindi should be put into the article. I see there was some discussions in 2012 which resulted in Indian-language names being removed from most prominent Indian biography articles. This was a mistake. It goes against what is done for every other non-Latin-script-using language. Russian biographies (e.g. Vladimir Putin), Arabic ones (Bashar al-Assad), Chinese (Xi Jinping), etc. It is illogical and irregular for Indian-language biographies not to have the native names.  Liam987(talk) 00:25, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Please see WP:INDICSCRIPT, and raise a discussion at WT:INDIA. What you suggest affects all India-related articles, not just this one.—indopug (talk) 14:35, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Suvra Mukherjee

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Has no signs to pass notability except she being the wife of the president of India. "She is an accomplished Ravindra sangeet singer" - This does not help the article to pass GNG on its own. Need more valid refs to prove notability. Lakun.patra (talk) 20:09, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

I agree. Suvra Mukherjees notability has not been made clear. Alice2Alice (talk) 10:55, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Agree Merge Suvra Mukherjee is not much known to general public and less popular in media and Notability not met KCVelaga _{☚╣✉╠☛} 07:15, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

• Support merger per stated reasons in nomination. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 07:22, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

• Totally oppose merger. She was famous inher own right a as musician, particularly Rabindra sangeet, a painter of acclaim, founded the ‘Geetanjali Troupe’ and wrote two book and was a feminine activist.--Nvvchar. 04:54, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose merger. I helped expand this article. Suvra stands on her own as a person, passes GNG and supported classical arts in India. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 13:40, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose merger the "wife of the president of India" as you put it is a First Lady. That is a position with duties of state. But in addition, Suvra Mukherjee passes GNG on her own merits. SusunW (talk) 17:09, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

g — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.213.87.229 (talk) 12:35, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2017

The new president of india is ram nath kovind 183.82.181.160 (talk) 05:30, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 06:21, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 July 2017

He retired on 23rd july, 2017 P.Sen 19:48, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 21:23, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Factual Inaccuracies

This article states that Mukherjee's political career began in 1969, when he managed the successful Midnapore by-election campaign of an independent candidate, V. K. Krishna Menon. Then Prime Minister of India, Indira Gandhi, recognised Mukherjee's talents and recruited him to her party, the Indian National Congress. This seems to be factually inaccurate, I've been developing the article on Jyoti Basu for some time now and from what I gathered while digging into references was that Pranab Mukherjee was already in the INC well before 1969 and that he was part of a Congress breakaway called the Bangla Congress. There's even an editorial in The Hindustan Times by Pranab Mukherjee which refers to the 1967 and 1969 Bangla Congress-CPI-CPIM coalition governments as his first hand experience. Tayi Arajakate _Talk 09:14, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

References

Death Rumours.

5 minutes ago, A prominent journalist tweeted (accidentally?) that he had died, prompting his son to clarifythat he hasn't.

So no, he's not dead. Trigger finger editors beware. LΞVIXIUS💬 03:58, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 August 2020

actually he was the 12th president of india below his first image on wikipedia it's written that he was 13th president of india. Shrivastava Lakshya (talk) 13:09, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

 Not done Glen (talk) 13:24, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Can someone have a look at List of presidents of India then? I'm not seeing where the order is wrong. – Thjarkur (talk) 13:26, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Thjarkur Yes originally read this as changing from 12th to 13th (as article stated both). I have updated to 13th unless there's a source saying otherwise. Glen (talk) 13:28, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) List of presidents of India shows 13th can you provide a source? Glen (talk) 13:27, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 September 2020

First line needs to be changed to "Pranab Mukherjee was an Indian politician............ " Gautammenons (talk) 11:48, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

 Already done Melmann 13:01, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 September 2020

There is a correction in the line, In 1963, he became a lecturer (Assistant Professor) of Political Science at Vidyasagar College,Kolkata" to " In 1963, he became a lecturer (Assistant Professor) of Political Science at Vidyanagar College, South 24 Parganas" 2409:4060:1A:482B:0:0:D79:78A1 (talk) 13:01, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done DNA misprinted the college name. I've inserted another citation and fixed the typo. I did not include location South 24 Parganas in the edit though, since it is implied. Thanks for pointing this out. - hako9 (talk) 00:02, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Changed spelling of Pranab Mukherjee's successor's name

I changed the spelling of Ram Nath Kobind to Ram Nath Kovind, so it'll correspond to Kovind's article.

Well wishes

Hlo 45.127.136.179 (talk) 19:05, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

President of India

I love u  parnav da i m president of India in year 2017 and one message transfer to so president is bhart ratan and bhart ratan is president  so and i am bhart ratan in year 2019 And u not bhart ratan u are president so live plz and i am arrest to bhart ratan so sorry president i am bhart ratan manish kr .tumhara maan:)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.99.237.44 (talk) 10:40, 13 March 2022 (UTC) 

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Behekekalndjwkdb 103.97.96.42 (talk) 18:02, 5 September 2022 (UTC)