Talk:Ponniyin Selvan: II

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We need to add info about the comet's disappearance due to Aditha Karikalan's death DanceController32 (talk) 16:11, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Actualcpscm (talk) 21:08, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Blanking

Onel5969 What seems to be the issue here, apart from possibly copy-paste move? No comments on copyvio. cc Nthep — DaxServer (t · m · c) 10:54, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, I never found anything wrong. Just that an IP created the article when the draft was still there, and I couldn't stop the influx of edits as I didn't have access to my PC then. Should've waited for the AfC to end. We simply have to expand the draft using the latest info from the article and get it reviewed. Onel5969 was misinformed, or did a mechanical copyvio review. Does he know that websites too copy Wiki almost always? Kailash29792 (talk) 11:38, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The issue is that the AfD was closed as delete, it was not draftified, as there was an existing draft, which needs to be reviewed and approved through AfC. And there was a copyvio violation, which has been revdel'd now. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:48, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Given a large number of revisions, this is a case of history merge, not BLAR. Also, the AfD only dealt if the article in that state should be deleted [given that the draft was declined on the basis that the movie wasn't released] — DaxServer (t · m · c) 12:00, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Nthep I believe the copyvio report at https://www.movie-buzz.com/2023/05/ponniyin-selvan-2-full-movie-download.html is not valid. I think the plot edits are:

Revision 16:09, April 29, 2023‎ by Theera dheera the great
Revision 16:58, April 29, 2023‎ by Staramm
Revision 19:35, April 29, 2023‎ by 2402:3a80:418:e2b0:4d4:c67d:7616:9496
Revision 12:27, April 30, 2023‎ by SueDaNym
Revision 19:01, April 30, 2023‎ by Varshithreddychalla

Given that the movie-buzz url was published on 1 May 2023 (possibly IST= +05:30UTC), it is conclusive that the website copied us and not the other way around. Could you please undelete all the revisions? Thank you! — DaxServer (t · m · c) 11:56, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@DaxServer Undeleted for the time being but rerunning Earwig shows two large matches with [1] and [2] which both appear to be older than 29 April. I say appear as neither carries a date stamp but the url of citimuzik implies March. So while movie-buzz may be a reverse copyvio, I'm not sure about these two. Nthep (talk) 12:25, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

They both can also be treated as copyvios. Just wish we (as in, Wiki) had the power to sue others for copyright infringement. Krimuk2.0, just pinging you to bring you up to speed with what's happening. Kailash29792 (talk) 13:29, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I saw. And very honestly, I have no words. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 13:30, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nthep, I have transferred the best revision possible to Draft:Ponniyin Selvan: II. Hope the AfC and copyvio issues are cleared there. Can this page be deleted and salted until the AfC is complete? Kailash29792 (talk) 13:55, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why do we need the draft? History merging the draft into this would be fine. — DaxServer (t · m · c) 16:14, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Even if the history merging is now possible, that is — DaxServer (t · m · c) 16:20, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Never did I expect the article to face difficulties remaining in mainspace even after the release date, but the previous AfD result (deletion on WP:CRYSTAL grounds) will not apply now that the film is out. No one is actively disagreeing that the film hasn't achieved notability (already the fifth-biggest Indian film of the year) so we should forego the red tapism and save everyone's time involved. And yes, a history merge would be appropriate. DeluxeVegan (talk) 16:26, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Nthep The article was a redirect to Production of Ponniyin Selvan: I and Ponniyin Selvan: II when you ran the copyvio check thus the content is loaded from that page. It was a split from Ponniyin Selvan: I and the content was from a long time ago oldid=1120447824 Those two websites are reverse copies as well — DaxServer (t · m · c) 16:16, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm losing the plot here. So some questions:

Is any of the history of this article a copyvio of an external site?
Was any of this article a copy-paste from Ponniyin Selvan: I which doesn't appear to have been attributed?
Today there have been four insertions of text. Is this original work or copied from the draft?

Nthep (talk) 17:17, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article history is a mess amidst the edit war. I'll try to answer your questions in a few hours — DaxServer (t · m · c) 07:44, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I tried to analyse the things happening here, but I don't think its worth my time and effort. Sorry. — DaxServer (t · m · c) 10:29, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ivanvector, we already did a copyvio check, and here's the result. Another website copied us, and that is called WP:MIRROR. Also engaging Theroadislong since he does not seemingly know anything that's going on. Kailash29792 (talk) 13:09, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see that, thanks for the ping. There's also an attribution problem with the repeated cut-and-paste moves. Give me a few minutes to fix. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 13:13, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the crime-committing website, and I have reported them to Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Best decision is, delete this page and move the draft to this title. It is already up to date, and the copying trouble started with this taking from the draft. Kailash29792 (talk) 13:18, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion was not an option, as content from the history of the former redirect and content from the draft were being copied back and forth, and those revisions are required for contributor attribution. History merge wasn't an option either because of the back-and-forth, so I did the best I could with template notices. As far as the external website copying our content, please have a look here for advice.

@Elumalai Babu. E, Barny the lad, Krimuk2.0, and J T C 913: you all made an incredible mess of this with your impatient copy-and-paste edits. DO NOT COPY FROM DRAFTS AND PASTE INTO THE MAIN NAMESPACE. If I see any of you doing this again, you will be blocked from editing. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 14:08, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Ivan. Yes, many users copy pasted, but I was willing to do it the fair way. Hope my name didn't get tainted because of them. And Krimuk is blameless, although he once tried to keep the article when the draft was still unreviewed. Maybe he wasn't aware of the draft? Kailash29792 (talk) 14:13, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

They seemed to be aware of it when they made this edit which they explicitly noted was copied and pasted. Admittedly they didn't say copied from the draft, but I don't know where else they would have copied it from. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 14:25, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 03 May 2023

Please create Wikipedia details for this don't delete the contents and Add This full movie Madhesh Elumalai (talk) 01:53, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done I guess. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 13:59, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

future topic

there's need of topic for future of the movie or this series Philomus⁰³ (talk) 13:18, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]