Talk:Political positions of Joe Biden

Biden as a Christian Democrat?

Where is the evidence that Biden is a Christian Democrat? So, one guy wrote it one journal. So what? Christian Democrats are socially conservative. Biden is a strong social liberal who supports LGBT rights, and not only supports abortion, but wants to repeal the Hyde Amendment. He said repeatedly that Christians should not be allowed to discriminate against LGBT people. Biden is not a Christian Democrat. I will delete this, unless someone has a good reason to keep it. 108.18.65.13 (talk) 02:12, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Your personal analysis is not sufficient reason to remove that. See WP:NOR. EvergreenFir (talk) 02:32, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

How is it personal analysis? It is not "research" to say that he supports gay marriage? It is a statement of fact that Joe Biden is not a social conservative, the same way that is a statement of fact that the sky is blue. However, it is true that social conservatism is more mild in Europe than it is here, and Biden's social views, at least in his earlier career, could conceivably be in the same range. For this reason, if you could find more than one source to make the Christian Democrat claim, I would be more receptive. 108.18.65.13 (talk) 03:18, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

It might help to actually know what you're talking about before speaking. Christian democrats are in no way "conservative", as the word has been bastardized and mangled by American politics. They are generally slightly right of center on social issues, but it is not dogmatic. Biden falling a little to the left on social issues of other Christian democrats does not negate his standing. ValarianB (talk) 18:11, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

So, it is "Christian democracy" when one completely disregards Christianity in favor of social liberalism? Comparing him to people like Merkel who hold no actual conservative views is an apt comparison, but still. I guess we are at an impasse given the current limitations of political language. I do think that "progressive" or "social liberal" certainly fit him far better than anything that has the word "Christian" in it, however. 160.253.0.7 (talk) 14:32, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Biden is a Christian Democrat because he is both Christian and takes part in democracy. Although an overwhelming majority of Christian Democrats support conservative views that does not mean that the whole ideology conforms to that rule. You almost seem to mock whether he is an even a Christian at all, which I find rather distasteful as we are supposed to be, as editors, neutral in our tone and writing. I recommend you don’t let a majority overrun a minority, letting the majority represent the whole population of that certain group. Sindenheim (talk) 05:02, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

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Biden's political position.

How is he a "centrist" or "center-left" given his support for CRT and other far-left cultural positions? 2600:4040:445D:C200:5267:4FEC:9BA:C71E (talk) 21:57, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

It looks like this characterization is supported by mainstream reliable sources. I don't think that your sources supported your proposed edits.      — Freoh 23:28, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Who are you to decide what sources are and are not "reliable"? Your so-called experts in the mainstream have a history of lying from the China lab growing covid to the conspiracy theory of Iraq having weapons of mass destruction! Btw, you also made an appeal to authority. 160.253.0.7 (talk) 14:42, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm a Wikipedian trying to follow Wikipedia's guidelines on reliable sources. Do you have sources that contradict the information in this article?      — Freoh 15:30, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm saying your so-called "reliable sources" are far from reliable given how they are in the pockets of big business and the neoliberal establishment. 2600:4040:445D:C200:6BAA:AA5E:59CB:4713 (talk) 13:24, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

He is against same sex marriage, has fought against it his whole political career. Also very much a racist and considers many minorities second class people. He wants to keep the whole country in slavery. Dead man walking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.211.36.45 (talk • contribs) 20:29, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

He literally supports it, alongside anti-white diversity agenda and has advocated for free trade and open borders. Hardly nationalistic positions. 2600:4040:445D:C200:6BAA:AA5E:59CB:4713 (talk) 13:23, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

If you want to argue that The New York Times is unreliable, then you should read WP:NYT and discuss this at WP:RS/N.  — Freoh 16:18, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

What "general consensus" says NYT is reliable? This is the same paper that lied to us for years about Russia on 2016. 173.79.40.205 (talk) 18:42, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

This page needs to be protected

I don't know much about protected pages, but if there is someone out there that can add protection to this page please do. This page has been receiving high amounts of vandalism recently. Jonah080 (talk) 20:02, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Bidenism

I've created a draft on Bidenism at Draft:Bidenism. It was previously deleted in November 2020, but I believe sufficient independent notability has been established now. Feedback/improvements appreciated. Thanks, C F A 💬 18:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Meeting with Menachem Begin

I made this edit, discussing Biden's meeting with then Israeli PM Menachem Begin, in which Biden expressed his full support for Israel's actions in Lebanon during the 1982 war, although also encouraging him to stop the expansion Israeli settlements in the West Bank.

My edit was removed at first because another user claimed it had "undue weight", then I mentioned how I added his opposition to settlements, and now the reason is that Biden never acted upon it, but this is a strange argument since the article isn't Foreign policy of the Joe Biden administration, it's just his political positions, and what I added amply describes Biden's full throttled support for Israel, which is a notable topic. Maurnxiao (talk) 16:01, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Your edit is a fine one, and the grounds for removing it do not make sense. However, you should remember to use edit summaries, and remember not to tag an edit as "minor" if it changes the substance of a proposition. Only edits that do not change substance should be tagged as minor. JArthur1984 (talk) 17:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

You chose to take a highly inflammatory tone for your addition, making sure to feature Biden's hypothetical comment about wiping out Canada; the same tone as the politically motivated source you cited. But mainstream news agencies don't mention Canada at all in their retelling of the 1982 interaction between Biden and Begin. Times of Israel said "even if that meant killing women or children", referring to Biden's support for Israel's war on Lebanon. Associated Press didn't even mention Biden's support for Lebanon, choosing instead to emphasize Biden's heated comments about how Israel should stop establishing Jewish settlements in the West Bank. The Sydney Morning Herald didn't mention Biden's Canada hypothetical; instead they said Biden provided the "most bitter" request of Begin to stop West Bank intrusions.

A simple statement would be fine, discussing Biden's 1982 opposition to Israel expansion into West Bank. Something without the Canada bit. Binksternet (talk) 17:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

It is best to ignore your use of the word "inflammatory", same with your accusations of my edits being politically motivated. The source I cited, Jacobin, is considered a reliable source by English Wikipedia, and your other sources not mentioning his Canada analogy has no bearing on the fact that the comments can be added to this article because a reliable source reported on them. Maurnxiao (talk) 17:59, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

UNDUE. Binksternet (talk) 18:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

MENTIONS OPPOSITION TO SETTLEMENTS. Maurnxiao (talk) 18:57, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with the West Bank settlements position, or the Lebanon war support. It's the Canada bombed to death stuff that is undue, the part that Jacobin was gleeful about recently but nobody at the time gave two shits about. Binksternet (talk) 02:00, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

So what? It's a reliable source on English Wikipedia and articles are meant to reflect such sources. So what if nobody at the time made anything of it? This conversation can easily get politicised with comments like this one! Maurnxiao (talk) 02:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

This is the hill you want to die on? That Biden's political position on Canada is that the USA can bomb it to the Stone Age if they attack the USA? Laughable. Binksternet (talk) 03:16, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

No, I want to include the analogy because it shows the extent to which Biden supported Begin's actions. Maurnxiao (talk) 12:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)