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On 7 November 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Political appointments by Donald Trump in his first term. The result of the discussion was Waiting until a formal list of appointments is released.

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Shouldn't this article be called "List of political appointments by Donald Trump" rather than just "political appointments by Donald Trump". Right now its inconsistent with the Biden one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_appointments_by_Joe_Biden vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_appointments_by_Donald_Trump is bad form. someone who knows how to rename (or has the authority to rename) the article should fix this — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monziguazini (talk • contribs) 15:35, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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can someone please Upload all these Pictures?

Non-political appointees

Asinine to list the inspector general of the NSA but not the director. Change the damn title of the article I can't work under these conditions. No we will not list EVERY single civilian military appointment signed off to by Trump as someone else suggested, just the MAJOR ones. This article will continue to feel lacking until the debate is settled once and for all. Change the title to 'cabinet appointments by Trump' and move on. I'm tired of this back and forth. Blakebs (talk) 2:21 (CST) August 3, 2018

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Requested move 7 November 2024

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The result of the move request was: Waiting until a formal list of appointments is released. Based on the discussion, there seems to be consensus for moving it when there is a proper list of appointments in the second term. (closed by non-admin page mover) Zippybonzo | talk | contribs (they/them) 19:28, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

– Opening this discussion to discuss a good page name for these pages. As Trump has won a 2nd term, many of his existing presidential pages have been moved to "first ___ " (e.g. First cabinet of Donald Trump, First presidential transition of Donald Trump). Don't think that verbiage works well here, but asking for input for a good naming scheme. Also, feel free to add other pages that should be moved, as Trump is likely to have a new set of appointees, etc, during his 2nd term. Natg 19 (talk) 00:58, 7 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. cyberdog958^Talk 04:15, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait: Trump has not appointed anyone to such positions in a second term yet, so there is no ambiguity as far as I know. Once there is a need, the suggested titles seem appropriate. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 04:09, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait and oppose - Too soon, as it stands now. I'm also not very in love with the phrasing of "in his first term", it's a little too much like a complete sentence to be a title. I'd personally prefer keeping appointments from both of his presidencies in one article, perhaps splitting off List of cabinet appointments by Donald Trump from Political appointments by Donald Trump, and converting that to Lists of political appointments by Donald Trump. But that's just my personal opinion as it stands now. estar8806 (talk) ★ 05:29, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The closest thing we have for a precedent is related articles to Grover Cleveland. We have just one article, List of federal judges appointed by Grover Cleveland, for all judges appointed during both of his terms. Though of course Cleveland's presidencies are significantly less well-documented than either of Trump's will prove to be. estar8806 (talk) ★ 05:33, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with doing it the Cleveland way for judges, as that article is likely to remain small. (I've already created subsections for 2nd term there.) However, this page is already 210,000+ bytes, and if both terms are included here, it will be almost double that size and be very unwieldy. It is unlikely that Trump keeps many of the same cabinet or staff members as in 2016. As to the first point, I am willing to change the title away from "in his first term" but just wanted to throw out a suggestion. Natg 19 (talk) 06:38, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because the page is swamped with tables filled with images of agency logos and picture of low level apparatchiks. Also, much of this was never updated. All of these people have since left office but there's missing information on when they took office. Killuminator (talk) 12:07, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. I feel that that would make the article way too long as Natg 19 mentioned. Having separate pages representing Trump appointments during his first and second term is a good idea. Not opposed to the phrasing Natg 19 laid out too as well. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:47, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait it is too soon, and there isn't a formal list of appointments yet, but its not a bad idea to start talking about how to handle it when this does become a need. I think the "in his first term" is too verbose, and initially would favor simply including the second term appointment in with the first, but as already pointed out, the current "first term" articles are already quite unweidly as they are, and adding another 30-50% more would make them even longer. However if they were to be removed of all of the imagery, like Cleveland was, then it might make them more manageable. TiggerJay (talk) 01:48, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. As currently conceived, this article only covers appointees current as of the end of Trump's first term, so theoretically all the positions would simply be replaced with the new appointees, and there's no need for a new article. If we were to construct a new article containing the entire history of appointees in each position (like List of political appointments by Joe Biden), we'd probably want two separate articles for each term. Perhaps it would be better to rename this article something like Current political appointments by Donald Trump and leave room for the historical articles if someone wants to make them. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 21:34, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? What does "current" mean? I am proposing that we should keep the history of appointees, and create a new article for appointees in Trump's 2nd term. This move is to change the title of this article, so that there is no confusion of appointees between the first term and the 2nd term. Natg 19 (talk) 21:48, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article does not contain the full history of appointees. Right now it's only the ones active at the end of Trump's first term. The earler appointments could (and probably should) be added, but that would be a fair amount of work. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 23:53, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that earlier appointments and term end dates should be added to this article to look more like List of political appointments by Joe Biden. _Mrwoogi010 ^✉ 01:38, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I favor structuring the Trump presidencies along the lines of the current Grover Cleveland articles. FWIW. Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 14:26, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 05:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note, Political appointments by Donald Trump in his second term was created by Blakebs, so now there are 2 separate articles. Natg 19 (talk) 21:20, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support There's clearly a lot more people and content now than for Cleveland. Since there's a new set of people at each department (and a clean break in tenure even if reappointed), moving these and having new articles are appropriate. I do agree "in his first term" is clunky and would appreciate further suggestions there. Reywas92^Talk 21:33, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: Relisting to determine consensus. Note that this article now exists. cyberdog958^Talk 04:15, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly oppose see established precedent, Presidencies of Grover Cleveland and linked pages thereof, such as List of federal judges appointed by Grover Cleveland. The consistent approach would be to simply add a Second Term header where appropriate into the mentioned articles. Scharb (talk) 19:03, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Scharb I don't feel that this is a accurate precedent. Cleveland's presidencies were over 100 years ago, and there is much less detail than even Trump's (first) presidency. Combining into a single article would create a bloated page. As I mentioned above, this current page is already 210,000+ bytes, so adding 2nd term information into here would create an unwieldy page. Natg 19 (talk) 20:17, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Support – I do think that we should probably disambiguate between Trump’s first and second terms. Not entirely sure whether or not this exact title is appropriate or not. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 21:47, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Is there a page for the ongoing appointments he is making for his 2nd term?

I would just like to know. StrongALPHA (talk) 09:28, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@StrongALPHA yes, Political appointments by Donald Trump in his second term. Natg 19 (talk) 04:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]