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Notability

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What makes Pine River notable is that it was the first to, in August 2009, launch a $250 million real estate investment trust that was the first to be formed through a merger with a special purpose acquisition company. http://www.iijournals.com/doi/abs/10.3905/JSF.2009.15.3.073?journalCode=jsf#sthash.8N39Uvww.dpbs

and

http://www.structuredfinancenews.com/news/-199076-1.html

After the housing market and RMBS market fall out, this was a big and rather contrarian play to see Pine River not just invest, but wade in in such a permanent way into the RMBS market.

Independent of that "first", this player in the hedge world has Reuters, Forbes, CNN-Money, Barron’s and Bloomberg News. These are about Pine River and not passing mentions. These aren't actually based on press releases because the writing journalists are financial types who know enough to come up with material on their own after looking at data and industry trends. Sources 6, 9, 11 should go. Not important. The article could use some work also, as it doesn’t say enough about the SPA company merger.

I found these articles through GNews for review, authors/reliable publications:

Thanks for the input.

I propose these sentences should be reworked to reflect why Pine River is actually notable as the first to pioneer a REIT formed through a merger with a special purpose acquisition company:

In 2009, a subsidiary of Pine River became the external investment manager of Two Harbors Investment Corp, a publicly listed real estate investment trust that invests in mortgage-backed securities and related instruments.[12] In 2012, an affiliate of Pine River became the external investment manager of Silver Bay Realty Trust Corp., a publicly listed real estate investment trust that invests in single-family rental homes.[13] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.162.49.167 (talk • contribs)

Copyvio / promotional edit

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Undid this edit [1] as a copyvio: Promotional content appears to come, word for word, from the company's own PR:

  • From the company's Twitter feed:[2] "Pine River Capital Management L.P. (“Pine River”) is an asset management firm focusing on relative value strategies across a range of global financial markets."
  • From the edit: "Pine River Capital Management L.P. (“Pine River”) is an asset management firm focusing on relative value strategies across a range of global financial markets."

John Nagle (talk) 21:30, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You revert well sourced additions (HQ is not Minneapolis for instance) because of 2 lines of copy that I got from everywhere else but Twitter? I can re-work that copy that I happened to get from their About section but the rest is backed with info that falls under WP:SOURCE and will be put back up.--OnceaMetro (talk) 04:56, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Pine River returns exaggerated.

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Watch for cherry-picking in reports of fund returns. Pine River Capital Management mentions the return for their best fund in their best year, but doesn't give the usual 1, 5 and 10 year numbers needed to make comparisons. See this WSJ article [3] indicating they were underperforming their market by 2014. Also see this data for 2015 for all their funds.[4] Performance for the last year wasn't so great; several of their funds lost money. Also note that there's a WP:COIN conflict of interest / sockpuppet issue being investigated. Please check article for promotional content and search for reliable sources not connected with the fund. John Nagle (talk) 08:16, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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