Talk:Persecution of Christians by the Islamic State/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Merge request

I think this page should be merged with the page "Assyrian exodus from Iraq" Assyriandude (talk) 02:58, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
That seems reasonable. The use of the term "genocide" has no support in the body of the article.--46.117.36.181 (talk) 16:29, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Agreed, no sources given for this name. Gazkthul (talk) 23:47, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
I agree. This sensationalist title is, quite frankly, only delegitimizes the term, "genocide." It should be moved to the exodus page. The term genocide should also be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Penguins53 (talk • contribs) 23:14, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
I also agree; these two articles should be merged in one. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 07:08, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Disagree. The subject of the articles are different. This article deals with an actual event. The other article is an OR synthesis in that it singles out one minority Christian group in Syria, implying that its fate was in some way different from that of all the other minority Christian groups in the aftermath of the American invasion. If there is an article about the genocidal events America's neocons quite consciously initiated in Iraq, that latter article's content should be merged into it. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 15:53, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Oppose - a related but notable event. The 2014 persecution is part of the Assyrian exodus from Iraq, but should have its own article - more than 100,000 refugees is a huge event.GreyShark (dibra) 07:44, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Genocide claim

ISIS is not an Arab organization to be called as such in the article. and there is no genocide with less than 10 deaths. 3bdulelah (talk) 20:01, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree with you. These guys are everywhere, from Afghanistan to Libya serving international terrorism. Some of them may be Arabs, but certainly it is not an Arab organization. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 08:06, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

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Title

Those groups are being persecuted for being Christians not for ethnic identity. Furthermore there were groups of Ethiopian Christians killed by ISIS, Armenian being forced to pay Jizya and have their churches demolished in Raqqa as well. These are not encompassed with the current title.--Kathovo talk 14:36, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/12/141229-syriac-christians-refugees-midyat-turkey/

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/08/140827-iraq-dahuk-islamic-state-assyrian-christians-peshmerga-nineveh-kurdistan/

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/5/24/syriac-village-turkey-finds-voice.html

22:27, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

@Kathovo: I agree, and therefore propose to move the article to a more all-encompassing title, see the following request. PanchoS (talk) 20:07, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 18 November 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved as proposed. Unopposed for several weeks. Thanks for your patience, PanchoS. Jenks24 (talk) 08:32, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Persecution of Assyrians and Copts by ISIL → Persecution of Christians by ISIL – Not just Assyrians and Copts were persecuted on basis of their faith, but all kinds of Christian minorities as well as foreigners of Christian faith. I therefore propose to move this article to a more all-encompassing title, which still is specific enough. Missing aspects will then be added. PanchoS (talk) 20:07, 18 November 2015 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 14:08, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Relisting comment. Because this is a generally controversial subject area and the proposed move is advocating a not-insignificant change in scope, I'm giving this another week to make sure. Jenks24 (talk) 14:08, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

@Jenks24: I agree with you that this is sensitive, so let's reconsider what might be the best solution. Fact is that the current title (and scope) doesn't make much sense, as it covers one of the persecuted Christian groups in Syria throwing it together with one of the persecuted Christian groups in Libya.
IMHO we can either expand the scope to all Christians (as proposed), or we can focus on the persecution of Assyrians and of Copts, each in a separate article. Probably we should have both a more general plus one or the other specific articles, but we need to start somewhere.
PanchoS (talk) 05:43, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

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Hillary Clinton's statement

Using CBN for a source may qualify as NPOV for some, but I wanted to highlight that the only part of the web link that I am using is that which references Hillary's recognition of atrocities. There is video of her[1] saying these things, so as to clear up all claims of NPOV.

"I'm sure now we have enough evidence that what is happening is genocide, deliberately aimed at destroying, not only the lives but wiping out the existence of Christians, Yazidis, and other religious minorities in the Middle East in territory controlled by ISIS," she said. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Progressingamerica (talk • contribs) 13:36, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 21 April 2016

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. There may be some better name available, not involving the acronym, but this isn't it. — — Amakuru (talk) 09:29, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Genocide of Christians by ISIL → Christian genocide (2014–present) – WP:CONCISE and harmonization with Yazidi genocide and Shia genocide. – Article editor (talk) 23:33, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Philg88 ^♦talk 06:23, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

This probably needs a wider community discussion before we move the article. Proposer has been using uncontested technical requests to move quite a few pages connected to genocides committed by ISIL one by one, which is allowing them to slip under the radar. Ebonelm (talk) 23:50, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Nothing happening elsewhere 2014-present?' I though Boko Haram were doing similar in the same time period? In ictu oculi (talk) 07:23, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
Oppose beside which this is a bad title so are Yazidi genocide and Shia genocide, it could be read that Yazidi's and Shia's are the perpetrators. @Ebonelm: is right, I have reverted those. They also should be subject to a full RM if @Article editor: wishes to move them. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:24, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
Oppose, the new name is misleading an fails WP:PRECISE. Insert CleverPhrase Here 02:01, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

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More information

Why nobody cares Christian genocide? I was comparing with Yazidi and Shia genocides and there is more information there than here. I think Christian minorities in Middle Eastern are suffering more and we, as Christians, are obligated to show this genocide to readers. Please, research and put more information. --Humberto del Torrejón (talk) 02:23, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Recognition by Australia?

As I'm not an Australian native I don't quite know how their politics works. From a bit of research it appears that this genocide has also been recognized by the Australian government, but I cannot tell if it was a motion passed or if this is even required by the Australian government. Peppercats (talk) 20:54, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

This is a motion, and it isn't even verified that it was seconded. In order for it to be officially recognised, it requires that it be accepted for discussion, voted on and, if accepted, only then would it be passed into law. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:27, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Delete request

I believe this page should be deleted since there is a higher amount of death of Muslims killed by the terrorists than christians. It is not a genocide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:B8E1:3040:2845:52A7:E387:2239 (talk) 05:40, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Dear IP, please read WP:BEFORE and WP:DEL-REASONs before creating an AfD. I can guarantee you that without proper reasoning based on Wikipedia policies/guidelines, this would-be AfD would've resulted in a snow keep. --HyperGaruda (talk) 12:33, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

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