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Requested move 15 November 2022
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The result of the move request was: not moved. —usernamekiran (talk) 12:21, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
Parallel ATA → IDE (interface) – "Parallel ATA" is quite an uncommon name for this subject. IDE or PATA are way more common, but I it seems that IDE is the most common one. It's also used by different articles, so I suggest to use parenthesis disambiguation. A different one would be fine with me, this one seemed the most reasonable to me. PhotographyEdits (talk) 18:23, 15 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:27, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose – IDE is a very antiquated term. We used to call it ATA, or PATA in contrast to SATA. --Zac67 (talk) 19:01, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose - Agree with Zac67. PATA too is pretty much obsolete and given the history I think Parallel ATA is most appropriate for this article. As the redirects explain:
- ATA redirect: ATA AT Attachment (ATA/ATAPI), the old name of Parallel ATA, an older interface for computer storage devices.
- PATA redirect: Parallel ATA, a computer interface for hard disk drive, optical disc drive, and/or solid-state drive
- If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Tom94022 (talk) 19:11, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I forgot to mention that I checked Google Ngram, and "IDE disk" is way more popular than "PATA disk". See here: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=PATA+disk%2C+IDE+disk&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3 Saying "We uses to call it ATA" is not valuable without any source, because different people call stuff differently, but not necessarily what the majority of users do. PhotographyEdits (talk) 08:15, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
- Google isn't really representative, and if you disable smoothing the "way more popular" becomes something like +50%. Incidentally, "ATA disk" dwarves both "IDE disk" and "PATA disk". The "we used to call it ATA" was coined towards your "quite an uncommon name" which isn't really true, with the same lack of RS. --Zac67 (talk) 10:10, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
- A somewhat expanded Google Ngram supports Parallel ATA, particularly when considered in context of the history as accurately stated by Zac. Tom94022 (talk) 21:03, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
- That seems like an unfair comparison to me, because it's not comparing "Parallel ATA" and "IDE". I understand that we can't because IDE has multiple meanings, but that means it's not good evidence either. PhotographyEdits (talk) 15:05, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
- The "Google isn't really representative" does apply to Google search, but Ngram does compare books. It's a valid source. PhotographyEdits (talk) 15:06, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
- A somewhat expanded Google Ngram supports Parallel ATA, particularly when considered in context of the history as accurately stated by Zac. Tom94022 (talk) 21:03, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
- Google isn't really representative, and if you disable smoothing the "way more popular" becomes something like +50%. Incidentally, "ATA disk" dwarves both "IDE disk" and "PATA disk". The "we used to call it ATA" was coined towards your "quite an uncommon name" which isn't really true, with the same lack of RS. --Zac67 (talk) 10:10, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose - IDE is a preceding technology. Though later considered part of ATA, IDE is completely incompatible. For the sake of accuracy, and to keep things encyclopaedic and accurate, the use of IDE as interchangeable with ATA should be strongly discouraged. Lostinlodos (talk) 21:37, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- Huh? The article states "Parallel ATA (PATA), originally AT Attachment, also known as ATA or IDE" in the first sentence and later states "The first version of what is now called the ATA/ATAPI interface was developed by Western Digital under the name Integrated Drive Electronics (IDE)." IDE came out and was then standardised as AT Attachment (aka ATA, ATA-1). All versions of IDE and ATA were always compatible - excepting SATA of course. Stepho talk 00:28, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- It all depends upon what version of IDE one refers to. The very first versions (e.g. the very first Conner models) were not very compatible but as the ATA-1 (IDE) standard was developed they became compatible. For more detail see 1987 Conner CP341 HDD – ATA interface or IDE Origins. Maybe some of this should go into the article but that would further confirm that IDE is not an appropriate name for this article. Tom94022 (talk) 01:17, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Good references. Sounds like by the time I started assembling/upgrading systems in 1992 (just before the 1994 ATA standardisation date) with old and new drives the IDE drives were mostly compatible but your references predate me slightly and show that the very early days were less compatible. I did have certain drives that wouldn't share the cable with other drives or had to be the master, not slave. But implementation issues have always plagued our industry. Stepho talk 04:10, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- It all depends upon what version of IDE one refers to. The very first versions (e.g. the very first Conner models) were not very compatible but as the ATA-1 (IDE) standard was developed they became compatible. For more detail see 1987 Conner CP341 HDD – ATA interface or IDE Origins. Maybe some of this should go into the article but that would further confirm that IDE is not an appropriate name for this article. Tom94022 (talk) 01:17, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Huh? The article states "Parallel ATA (PATA), originally AT Attachment, also known as ATA or IDE" in the first sentence and later states "The first version of what is now called the ATA/ATAPI interface was developed by Western Digital under the name Integrated Drive Electronics (IDE)." IDE came out and was then standardised as AT Attachment (aka ATA, ATA-1). All versions of IDE and ATA were always compatible - excepting SATA of course. Stepho talk 00:28, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
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