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Current Governor

I work at the governor's compound in Paktika. Akhram Khwalpak is definitely not the current governor -- his name is Abdul Qayum Katawazai. I'm going to try and change that as best as I can.

~~rikki_rockett —Preceding unsigned comment added by 214.13.100.222 (talk) 05:04, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tajiks in Paktika

Information provided about the demographics of Afghanistan/Provinces/Districts by MRRD are taken from Central Statistics of Afghanistan. They do mention that there are some Uzbeks but they do not mention anything about the Tajiks ^[1]. NPS does not mention anything about Tajiks either in their report ^[2].

Information provided by MRRD, NPS or AIMS are the most upto-date information available to the public about the demographics of Afghanistan. (Ketabtoon (talk) 21:51, 17 August 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Historical and political gazetteer of Afghanistan‎ - Page 110 "... though in Urgun there are also some 1,2 families of Tajiks. ..." http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&q=tajiks%20in%20urgun&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wp --Inuit18 (talk) 22:00, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

also, there are Furmuli Tajiks in Paktika.--Inuit18 (talk) 22:00, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

here is my source for this http://books.google.com/books?id=fAkEAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA126&dq=furmuli+tajik&ei=L9OJSvLjJ5ywkATombiECg#v=onepage&q=furmuli%20tajik&f=false --Inuit18 (talk) 22:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You did not read my post. I will quote myself "Information provided about the demographics of Afghanistan/Provinces/Districts by MRRD are taken from Central Statistics of Afghanistan.". Now you are telling me that the author of the book or your know more than the government of Afghanistan and United Nations? Because Central Statistics Office of Afghanistan was working closely with the United Nations when they were providing their information. (Ketabtoon (talk) 22:11, 17 August 2009 (UTC))[reply]

These are only estimates like all other websites. NPS AIMS and MRRD have different estimates and you cannot say they are 100% reliable since we have never had a census in Afghanistan. This book is reliable because it is a research on the furmulis and not estimates provided by any institution. Since there is a source that backs my claim that there are Tajiks in Paktika, my edit stays.--Inuit18 (talk) 22:29, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is unlikely that there are no Tajiks in Paktika, but obviously there are not very many. The MRRD report^[1] says on page two that in another 4 villages with a total population of about 5,000 people speak some other languages. This indicates that the listing of Pashto and Uzbek is not exhaustive. The MRRD report said Pashto are 96%, using MRRD numbers 15,000/809,772 yields 1.8% Uzbek. The remainder 5,000 are less than .6% and that includes languages plural, one of which may indicate Tajiks. It does appear that in the mid 1800s that there were Purmuli (known as Tajiks) as indicated in Bellew (1891) cited by Inuit18 above and in Markham, C. R. (January 1879) "The Mountain Passes on the Afghan Frontier of British India" Proceedings of the Royal Geographical Society and Monthly Record of Geography (New Monthly Series) 1(1): pp. 38-62, p.48. But that doesn't indicate that they are still there. The citation to the 1985 Historical and political gazetteer of Afghanistan, a compiled handbook, does not indicate that the information is any more current, being rthe nature of gazetteers. With accuracy we could say that There was a small group of Tajiks in this province in the mid 1800s who practiced ironmongery, mostly in and about the village of Urgun. --Bejnar (talk) 23:28, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don't you think mid 1800s is a long time ago. They have mentioned that there are Uzbeks in Paktika Province, so why wouldn't they mention anything about the Tajiks? However, I won't drag this discussion any longer. And thank you for your contribution. I appreciate it. (Ketabtoon (talk) 00:04, 18 August 2009 (UTC))[reply]

I think that the reason those reports didn't mention Tajiks specifically, and placed any Tajiks present in the "other" category is that their number is de minimis, that is, doesn't arise to the level of interest. For goodness sake, after the Pashtans and the Uzbeks, the total remaining minorities of all stripes are de minimis, so much less any Tajiks. --Bejnar (talk) 14:39, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

References

[MRRD-Paktika-1] ttp://www.mrrd.gov.af/nabdp/Provincial%20Profiles/Paktika%20PDP%20Provincial%20profile.pdf

[2] ttp://www.nps.edu/programs/CCS/Docs/Executive%20Summaries/Paktika%20Executive%20Summary%20Final%20Edit.pdf

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